---------- 2018/02/26 #E01 Starting with Manifesto ---------- ---------- 2018/03/05 #E02 Writing Manifesto ---------- ---------- 2018/03/12 #E03 Finalizing and Sending Manifesto ---------- ---------- 2018/03/12 #E04 Identity / Location / Collaborators ---------- ---------- 2018/04/05 #E05 Process / System Development ---------- CONTEXT possible option 1: NOA’s house in portugal - building a sustainable community (eco village) - focus on community and environment, fishermen town, working with farmers and older people - learning skills from a different perspective; chance to work with the people. lisbon in 3h drive - look for collectives around the area (free living = possibility to fly people in) (if we go squat then it might also be free-ish..) free state examples: https://www.freestate.co.uk/just-do-it-the-joep-van-leisho…/ http://www.jonasstaal.nl also possible to: look into monasteries (places for kids/youth camps) : off season, probably with existing workshop space focus on developing the (visual) identity visualise/itemise all we need regarding: space, people, square meters, privacy, necessities, … what format? map/website WEBSITE (!) easy graphics, important to have a starting point visual identity can and WILL CHANGE, good to start with something to reach out question of privacy during half a year - how much do we actually need? should we organise courses on performance/business/.. prior? for input - from acquaintances/friends (base for ideas) current system: (setting deadlines) (taking fast steps to get things going) TUESDAY : NAME (poll on facebook) (input from each one of us) WORKING GROUPS contacts, people : sara, ben, charlíe, hannah, noa, emma context, place : noa, sara identity : mathias, dominique, ilja, pierre, charlie, ben communication, organisation : hannah, charlíe documentary people : sara, lucas recap duos for recapping each meeting into a small post (!) (to be organised) ANSWER THE WHY identity meeting TUE 18h (under question!) noa, alex, emma, ilja : what can we do in the village? observations during holidays ---------- ---------- 2018/04/11 #E06 Preparing Collective Pitch (for Jan and Olga) ---------- questioning why do we want to and why should we get out from Eindhoven how to? we are giving them an ideal opportunity for the outpost let’s get things going our presentation: staring with WHY AN OUTPOST (contextual, site-specific, direct contact with the people) WHY A COLLECTIVE (similar interests, people) OUR VALUES (community, current affairs) 3 possible concepts / what are the fragments we want to work with? (1) village small communities (we have a house in Portugal)(possibilities: water, local stories, fishermen, crafts) (2) news agency (us as means of research) (3) free state: our own decision (we can be everywhere, it is ABOUT THE COLLECTIVE, a radical move, we want to be political) (state 207) other research includes: fabrica, lebanese residency, squatting, Joseph Grima, atelier van lieshout, greece - alex, city circles, ... all these are not closing us off but we get a sense of being engaged, we are open close contact with last years collective - analysing what worked and what did not - learning from their experience administrative side (check the google doc) questions for the 3rd floor: what is their experience with the last minor? what can school offer us? how fast? what about funding? we need: info about the formalities around teachers (who can we hire,…), evaluation, feedback (weekly basis? who is in charge?) we prefer no skype meetings at which stage is our project approved? when is it happening (the decision)? when do we know, to continue. we need fast answers, We started so early knowing it is a big project, drive to continue with this ---------- ---------- 2018/04/12 #E07 Collective Pitch to Janneke and Olga ---------- ---------- 2018/04/26 #E08 A Free State ---------- is a free state an utopia or a dystopia? what is the aim of it? fear of getting too meta state - making boarders „an idea 200 years ago“ the word state has a lot of connotations, counterproductive (lieshout knew it) what about land? could we be a cult as soon as we pay rent we are regulated by another system depends how you make your borders flag land contact with neighbours how ’you' as a free state act and spread collective minor - ultimate freedom what about a neutral ground? do we want to criticise states? „not a political rebel group“ correct / not correct everything is a statement - be aware of ours are we agreeing on this community concept ( made by us? ) constitution starting a state in one place and after 2 months moving the state to another location does context matter? how do the people answer/react focusing on: place first or concept first can the concept take place anywhere? old factory space near Tolouse (boris’ parents) we need input - stop meeting with us only (!) liesbet fit (between atelier van lieshout & grima (week of 7-11may)) barcelona collective (noa) master graduate who has something in Italy (charlíe) architecture person in berlin (karl) elective teacher (ben) free press unlimited jonas staal; kay’s teacher (ilja) olle lundin; patricio (hannah) ---------- ---------- 2018/05/02 #E09 Trip to Atelier van Lieshout ---------- ---------- 2018/05/09 #E10 First Meeting with Diogo ---------- what is our mark - what would we leave behind? to think of the legacy of a place how can we give back to the community? ex: learning & teaching language, interaction.. making them a part of the process how dependant / independant are we and would we be from both DAE and Matera? - how much can we manouver in between what is the role of Matera themselves? in the local context, community.. about our ‘final’ outcome archive of content essential aspect is to create the outcome is the process (in a publication form for example) what vs how about Matera weekly schedule: 1 day of field trips, friday = presentation of weeks work + an external input as a lecture; open for locals to join (followed by aperativo) (this has become more like a habit for the locals included) each team consists of 1/3 locals + 1/3 nationals + 1/3 internationals to involve the community more (language barrier!) it is an open approach, developed on the go - no curriculum & very contextual student=teacher=participant what is our role when we would go? we could play with what they couldn’t do - the idea started as a ‘community’ school but due to problems they jumped straight into a fixed curriculum ---------- ---------- 2018/05/14 #E11 Preparing for First Meeting with Joseph Grima ---------- ---------- 2018/05/15 #E12 Collective Pitch to Joseph (zBar) ---------- * ---------- ---------- 2018/05/17 #E13 OFFFENCE is Born ---------- Jurgen Bey - email (thimothy) VISION MISSION PEDAGOGY (the manual as a bible) EVALUATION SYSTEM 1 from school IB (numerical) (reference - specific) we should be more qualitative + group evaluation CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM toolkit ( machines, needs (square meters, space) ) MANUAL separated from US as a collective „THE MANUAL“ possible to adjust to a specific group VISUAL IDENTITY name graphics domain (website + email) to communicate more professionally work-suits how do we present ourselves? characters - going abstract <> specific FORMAT template for documents (!) easy to access archive external communication (language- external parties) collective / brand guidelines consistency CALENDAR (google) GOOGLE BASED ARCHIVE PLATFORMS trello - to have a sense of purpose (putting more tasks than what is there) basecam(p) thinking of democracy (don’t wait for everybody + their approval - strong energies, considering voices, reaction) political correctness utopias how do you open up a topic - master text (everyone reads - all agree on the quality of the text) formulate questions (~12) - that’s a program (approaching change - no big revolutions, we don’t believe in utopias anymore) is it authority writing down their hours + tasks (keeping track of productivity) attendance list curriculum methodology open living structure boarders, fences (history of ‘fences’) MOVING FENCES lectures from: UN , NATO, Christo and Jeanne Claude sensing territories between social and transitional (space) communal space sandberg institute TIME STRUCTURE EXTERNAL LECTURES inviting people to talk with us list of readings (to read by the time we get a lecture) (sent by the lecturer prior) MOVING PLACES setting our stone in different places - showing that the manual can apply to many places CHECKPOINTS DDW 20-28 OCT - DDW / ARENA MIDTERM end of NOV (kay?) BREAK moving JANUARY meeting with KAY, DIOGO ENDTERM end of FEB finish every phase WITH A DOCUMENT every Friday - presentation + writing + collective meeting process book OFFFENCE ---------- ---------- 2018/05/24 #E14 Updating Manifesto - Potential Teachers - Starting on Manual ---------- boundaries, fences, barriers, boarder mental boarders, "rules exist to be broken“ where does a boarder play a role tinkle the boarders, what a physical boarder mentally does to people finding a master text + questions we need more input MANUAL (who is writing) MANIFESTO (get the values clear) INPUT what a physical boarder mentally does to people finding a master text + questions phase of self polication (?) LITERATURE - OUR OWN LIBRARY what is important to read to start a collective (manual) start with your own institution what is not working? (1) creating a mobile workshop (2) garden to grow our vegetables (3) shorter periods, more workshops (4) overview of what happens of the course (details) (5) intellectual + academic input - exchange with other people who we find interesting (6) more focus , less projects , more going in depth (7) feedback mechanism (8) international teaching bodies (9) horizontal education (no authority, no gap between teachers) (10) soul (me time / us time - actively plan rest - emotional and mental wellbeing) (11) everything that is produced to be documented and represented digitally (text, video, audio) (12) classes based on actual input (not based on contracts) (13) an administration, proper communication (14) job descriptions - accurate, fluid (everybody responsible for everything/ shared responsibility?) (15) free working hours outside of class - 24/7 access (16) fixed lunch time - valuing the time off together (17) RECAP - finishing the week together (18) KICKOFF - starting the week in a good spirit Lebanese movie night screening - falafel sublime ---------- ---------- 2018/06/01 #E15 Writing Manual ---------- We went over the (rough) draft of the manual and changed/agreed on some things... The text will be added to the Drive soon Proposing a similar Facebook briefing format (until we have the briefing template setup and running) We agreed to think about some more tangible things to get the "concrete" ball rolling... Homework: - If OFFFFFFFFENCE was a person, what kind of personality would they have? - Think of some examples that you consider as "fences". From small and imaginary, to massive and tangible. We will discuss these things at the next meeting. ---------- ---------- 2018/06/05 #E16 FENCES Workshop - Preparations for Meeting with Grima ---------- DVD: Suggestion to get our goals straight and down to earth, also to go to Matera in the early part of the semester and then come back to Eindhoven. Eindhoven is more resourceful (knowledge/education, closer to brussels and den hague, more relevant to our topic), etc.. CF: Agrees, november would be an ideal time to do our switch in location, especially if we will be doing our collective outdoors, weather in the matera will not be very welcoming after that. NN: Apart from the lectures and network we have here, what other reasons do we have to leave matera? Does it make sense to produce something outside of it? ... DVD: Did anyone think what a fence is for them? NN: Lets make a big mindmap! ... Drawing fences + Analysis + Defining Fences ... ---------- ---------- 2018/06/05 #E17 Meeting with Liesbeth Fit ---------- Joyce (or Janneke idk her name) came and said that Matera is indeed an option IS: Did you talk more about the content of the education or the structure in general LF: I read their proposal and then gave comments… I am not even sure who did it in the end, me or Olga. … LF: There is an outline circulating at the academy LF: Curriculum down to the week Learning at a distance: Viable or not? We should quantify the numbers into something tangible… Maybe Joseph Grima could be our coach… And also his network of design institutions in italy. What if someone reaches their limit? Personal reasons? Can that person come back to DAE and join another Minor? What is Joseph Grima’s idea of an outpost manual? He should specify a bit more on what is it? What are the points that we have to look for everywhere? Certain roles…Circular structure for assigning roles When do we give feedback, start/end of the day? How many lesson hours/working load do we have? Itemize How much me-time… The danger is that we are Logistics, practicalities… financial differences, eating out vs. eating in LF: Maybe I can also send you the learning goals in general, the level descriptors of an educational programme.. We should reserve time every day/week to step back, do yoga, meditate, etc… We need an external person to monitor and see what happens from step alpha to step omega. ---------- ---------- 2018/06/06 #E18 Lunch with Grima ---------- JG: Very simple update: I spoke to the team, and it looks like it can work. Their thinking of a structure that fits the acasfdemys budget, timeline, all of these things. ANd trying to think whst could be compatible with our needs and expectations, etc.. DVD: We have a name, Offfence. Intro to who we are now, our fence workshop, anaylses, and genralization: Were doing a very big taskin developing an education. We need to develop a curriculum and trying to create this manual. CF: Diogos comments are in this print. IAS: What are your expectations for the manual? JG: this looks like a usfelu framework. What could be useful is turning this into a logbook, and text these points out, and try to refine the details , and extrapolate what you leanr from this process, what are the outcomes/results. Test these ideas and is this actually true? IAS: What is specifalaclyly suppsoed JG: You focus on fence.. DVD: thats just the entry point. Another thing is creating this curriculum which includes subject matter, a list of collaborators, list of spaces and palces, and we really need oyur iinput. Our curricullum culd stand without context and matera is a placeholder. We also need a library as a resource, and we think we need a good connection with the people around. JG: It would be helpful to create a useful framework. The interesting thing about the brief is that it is outsife of your control. How does this adapt to your context? One thing we discused with hte team in matera, and is designing producing devices that would be used to present content in matera, and this could fit your relationship to fences and borders. You're an amzaing group of designers with great ability and affinity to material. I would ask atera to give you a brief or an assignemtn DVD: Would you be interested in being in close contact with us i nthe formulation of assignemnts? JG: yeah. Janneke: oops im late haha JG: This docuemtn is for internal use. What is useful for amtera is more operational/concrete infromation, they don't need the manual. They will reply to that with how they think it would work, and hwot they think it can change. HCS: will they take up the teaching role? JG: No, we will keep a degree of autonomy, and they have their stuff to do and they need to stay focused on that. We need to think of our strategy with accomodation, adn other stuff. From november on its easier to find rent places and its cheaper then. Make a proposal, since they are very classical, and they want it to be realistic. You make the first move with how you propose to do it. I asked them to devlop a littlw bit the brief about these mobile structures. DVD: The word mobile is very vauable since this currcilum should be handed down. We’ve stared to itemize things already with all the details. Now our network is weighted in the netherlands rather than italy MM: who can we collaborate with ? JG: Friday open talks at ODS. Space Caviar is very policital and awkward in this situationa dn everyhing is scrutinized, and ends up in the local paper. Thwere is a fear of displacement, territory, and it cant become a playgorunfd for outsiders. My role as an invdiviual is giving strucutre to these projects. Space caviar isnto involved like so. Julia from space caviar is embedded in the ODS, she has knowledge in modular structures. DVD: We do mention that we want to open doors and not build walls. Thats only on paper, hwo does this apply? We want to itemize these things and we would like to be there earlier JG: August is very lovely down there, sepetmeber is a little better. October is the best month of the year. From the matera perspective is the sooner the better. Aigust is closed. IAS: Fist of september woud be our program start. How long should we be ther? JG: Theres the budget aspect of course, i think that if this brings value tp matera, funds can be sorted out. DVD: We would like to deal with borders, fences so in bruseefs and the hague are interesting researc points for us....... KM: what are your contacts Joseph: theres lots of people, so youll meet them all, and it will depend on what you want to do there, so theres a laerge pool. KM: ODS contact person? Joseph: I will put you in touch with Rita CF: Were thinking about broadcaadsting to ddw Joseph: that wqould be great to show at campina DVD: we want to show our work, and our process, so we will present some of it alongside the boradcast. ---------- ---------- 2018/06/07 #E19 Curriculum Workshop ---------- DVD: presented a general overview on structuring a curriculum Decision name: 1) curriculum 2) practicalities: e.g. budget calculation DIO: who are the agents of our group? Consider the given: Design Academy (evaluation) Open Design School (assignment) Who do we want to listen to in terms of evaluation? SR: life lesson is the most important lesson - how much do we learn on our own? KM: we can not criticise DAE without suggesting. NL: horizontal learning is not working in this school. I don’t feel heard. Charlie proposes herself to make a draft for a possible curriculum structure. Specific Topic Focus: Evaluation HS: autonomous evaluation - how can it coexist with the school’s evaluation? KM: we create our own evaluation system and refer to the school’s system. DIO: curriculum made by hashtags. Make your own system. We are supposed to suggest something different. Let “unqualified” people evaluate this collective. KM: how would we redefine education? DIO: Reference: Schooling The World See this collective as an experience! Go all the way! Be bold! Make mistakes and do what you believe is interesting! SR: Let us not feel obliged to please the school. NL: Let’s get the dirty work going! DVD: presented connotations with FENCES DIO: research Italy as a place of immigration. How are you going to interact with the vision of the Open Design School? DVD: We do want to relate. We don’t want to depend on. NL: We would like to start off with a collaborative assignment? CF: shifting the fence could be a good starting point. SR: how does the ODS want to relate to us? DIO: there is a restriction of the ODS in terms of time. HS: a possible collaborative moment could be the Friday lectures. DIO: are you aware of the ODS? What are you going to do about it? SR: we need to meet them as a kick off. KM: The letter should be our priority. DIO: agreed on giving a presentation on Matera coming Thursday. HS: we need to organise an office space. DIO: needs to understand the practicalities - budget, living space, Grima’s decision HS: do we need to organise the tool kit? DIO: showing the location of the ODS. (old pasta factory) (tufo rocks, fence) (IDEA institute Matera co-working at the same location - the idea of an archive) Participants of ODS: total of 10, on location: 5 DVD: renting price? About the same price as in Holland. Logistics of the space: 2 workshops, possible storage space, kitchen is usable walking > biking Matera is going through a slow process of change Make a list of specific needs: Workshops, collaborators, possible teachers WE NEED A LOCAL PERSON. Diogo says he will look into organising a local person to join us. IS: Could we use the budget for teachers also for workshops? DIO: the main focus is on turning the ODS into a fablab in order to live on after Matera Cultural Capital 2019. DIO: shows social activities at the location. Points out significant immigrant activities. ---------- ---------- 2018/06/11 #E20 Preparations for Janneke ---------- ---------- 2018/06/14 #E21 Administrative Things with Janneke ---------- ---------- 2018/06/14 #E22 Personal Motivations and Curriculum thoughts ---------- ---------- 2018/06/21 #E23 Diogo Introduces Matera ---------- ---------- 2018/06/22 #E24 Curriculum Development and Decision Making ---------- Who should be our mentor? Someone who could be able to guide us contextually on spot; able to guide a process of working; DVD: I could see Diogo as a general mentor PA: We could have a field mentor who knows the context, and a collective director-mentor who guides the whole process KM: I like Pierre’s idea - someone who we haven’t met yet, guiding us, so we would not be doing it for the academy DVD: They should not be a craftsman, a mentor does not have to be a designer even CF: Let’s shift focus to what we need to provide to the school. We do not know enough, so we can not make it happen now. Who do we know, who has a function we could use? Maybe we do need someone who takes care of us as a collective? SR: And what is the role of a mentor? Who is a mentor to you? Which process do they guide? Personal, work related, … PA: A mentor is someone with an overview SR: If we think of ourselves as a department, what department are we? Who do we relate these roles with? NL: We haven’t seen a lot of him, as he has his own view on education, and we are making education. CF: A mentor is someone who should be aware of group dynamics and the context we are in SR: Diogo is an observer, an expert on self-directed studies CF: we also don’t know him from all sides yet, so we can not judge at this point AK: also think how he puts himself into the group, he knows very well how to deal with groups and with people CF: we can make our own system of mentoring, so if it is Diogo, he can only come in every 6 week, and we can split the role of a mentor so Kay can also be another side of the mentor role DVD: teacher and mentor are connected for me, and I know what I would look for in a person evaluating my work DVD: who will monitor our study processes? CF: let’s think of the roles in an open way. Diogo (1) : loosely related consultant / evaluator (2) : coming in at mid & end term / expert (3) : teachers, craftsmen, head (able to have an overview of the project) already SR: I want to have two roles DVD: Macro (overview) and Micro level (i want a craftsmen to evaluate my crafts work) CF: let’s think about the WE: The consultant is important, the evaluator is important The collective sets a goal, and the evaluator decides whether we reached the goal. DVD: everyone has a set of goals, and we can decide upon our own process DVD: do we have specific learning goals? CF: our manual. DVD: that’s too meta for me CF: But we need it for US For example: We want to learn contextually KM: what are our macro learning goals? SR: the reason we’re leaving is because we don’t want to be guided by the same crietria WE WANT TO LEARN HOW TO WORK CONTEXTUALLY HOW TO BE A COLLECTIVE SR: maybe connecting? Connecting to situations, people IS: we might have to define what it means to be contectual DVD: learning goals are based on the curriculum SR: i get it that we need to stay contsructive to the school, but i have that we’re molding the things we will do there to the format that is accepted CF: we’re super vague and open IS: maybe we will not write them down since we work contextually, maybe we find them out on the way PA: we will push the decisions until the beginniing of October, we will settle down, see the situation and then we will have some learning goals. IS: every month we send an update on the learning goals, i.e. 1- WE WANT TO GET TO KNOW MATERA CF: and each other; the fluidity of defining our goals monthly KM: defining myself as a professional without the context of the institution IS: we want to see how a collective works so fluidly You should trust the group that they take care of your weaknesses regarding the learning goals On teachers & mentors DVD: what about a list of teachers “library” They receive an email that we are interested in them SR: maybe we can agree on 3 teachers we want to have Building a bridge, not a contract IS: you already have a fixed mentor and an evaluator, so that is for sure But do we want someone who could inspire us? DVD: if they say that they want to collaborate if we are in need SR: “hey, do you mind if i send you an email every now and then for feedback” PA: then we also need to cover different areas with our choices “social, material, …” DVD: in order to cherry pick, we need more names ---------- ---------- 2018/06/28 #E25 Janneke ????? ---------- ---------- 2018/07/04 #E26 Janneke ????? ---------- ---------- 2018/07/05 #E27 Janneke ????? ---------- ---------- 2018/07/09 #E28 Budget and Schedule Talks with Janneke ---------- ---------- 2018/07/10 #E29 Final Meeting with Liesbeth ---------- ---------- 2018/07/10 #E29 Final Meeting with Liesbeth ---------- we are actively wanting to educate ourselves! + important: find these people from Italy! for example: an architect - site specific work / working with tools - getting starting on something, with people who are fresh for us It can be a longer workshop of someone returning later, but this role could be more for the teachers (Kay, Bart, Curdin, Diogo) focus on intense workshops for 2 days in a row each week / one day of lecture + workshop each week / 2 day workshop followed with a free week it can be 4h, does not even have to be a full day make a rough estimation about which type of workshops you would like to have, it can still be abstract what will we be doing there? — define a bit more; think of things — type of quest lectures (spatial designer + workshop on empty spaces / social worker + workshop on community / few words of content - communicate to the school - first week -> space / second month -> relations with people —— make a separate file & in the schedule in one word ‘workshop defining spaces’ - what could we be interested in— also makes the school happy the whole experience should be different from just making projects / good for us to shake it up a bit schedule once a week one day guest lectures = 5 days in a month guest lectures - good for the school to see that we’re working on this guest lecture (overall / defined with what follows or will be done) / guest lecture +workshop / artist talk / field trip be smart how you sell the plan - to get the money - use the money correctly and well — guarantees more freedom to see what works 1/2 days, 1 week off, 1/2 days, when a person arrives, the locals usually organise a tour, a dinner, where the guest can give a talk / next day a lecture, workshop.. artist talk is more one direction name elements we’re interested in putting to practice in Septemer really see what you want to do, who do you want to do it with, and fill in the hours you have scheduled (since you probably got the money to do so!) ex: curator to work with (beginning&end) - defined later people who we will invite are probably freelancers (last minute projects) - they are flexible with time own money - LAST THING (to mention) & (used for) LAST THINGS outcome for ourselves - what do we want to organise? what do we want to get out of this? what will we be doing there? - define a bit more? think of things — open enough - type of quest lectures (spatial designer + workshop on empty spaces / socisa worjer + community workshop / few words of content - communicate to the school - first week space /secid month relations with people —— separete file/ schedule in one word ‘workshop defining spaces’ - what could be intereseted - make the schhol happy DARE TO WRITE THINGS DOWN SHOW WHAT YOU’D DO (AND DID) WITH THE MONEY - YOU NEED THE MONEY - BE CLEAR WHAT YOU NEED IT FOR! don’t be afraid to name things Guest lectures - Lectures - Workshop - Discussion - Lecture followed up by a workshop LF- Arrange this in the vacation, how do you see these lectures ? also see what lectures are there from ODS to see what’s possible. Find out in the vacation what themes you guys want to work with. In a specific order. Also deal with what is there and order it. HS – People – location – architecture. This might be an order for themes for lectures/workshops. LF – communicate in DDW- get possible guests out of this, it’s smart to do an expo during ddw. LF – Think about that you need to work towards an evaluation point. SO ; DEFINE A TOPIC, WRITE DOWN GOALS, so people ( teachers ) can evaluate you. HS- how can we show this on the schedule ? LF – Make another colum or even another schedule that shows the process. But not every week, maybe every two weeks so f.e; 1st week – do research 3rd week – define the topic that you want to work with. 5th week – reflect 7t week – produce LF – make roles in the group maybe. Certain responsibilities for every person. So you have an overview and people can point out to each other what needs to happen that week. ( process wise etc ) LF – You need broad out your process, so the build up from the semester. LF- what does it mean to have a group feedback ? Define this. - feedback on work ? - Community ? - Feedback on each other - Presenting for each other ? - Looking at each others work ? LF – Now it’s methods and forms. You need to have an idea about it. what did we like ( in school ) How do we like to work ? HS – Pear teaching. proposal for pear teaching. Ask the whole group what do they like to talk about ? almost an order LF – make two schedules : 1 for hours – 1 for methods and process + teaching each other. - Add midterm + end term Then you can also see that towards the end you might need more working hours instead of guest lectures. - Practice presentation in the end, this can be implemented in the “process schedule” - Not every lecture needs to come from the outside, it can also come from you guys. LF- maybe not all the lectures are relevant for you all because everyone will work on different topics. HS- we have to decide what our learning goals are in summer. Everybody needs to wright this down. OUTLINE LF – guest lectures in the outline. - learning objectives – main goal, learning outcome. What have you learned after you did this collective ? - missing – what is it what we’re going to learn ? In your manifest there are a lot of things but try to put an emphasis. put your learning goal in a few sentences. MAIN GOAL – through all the assignments you’ll learn this. condense all your things in one sentence. LEARNING OUTCOME - - everything we do during this sememster should be focused on this main goal. - lectures - Teachers. ---------- ---------- 2018/08/20 #E30 What is Our Umbrella Theme? ---------- UMBRELLA so much data, don’t invent more, input what are we about? education, organising our own unknown environment contextual process setting up how to start + manage in a new language, how to do our own thing in a new context, the balance of adapting vs continuing privillege, the opportunity words: camera, media, mobile, contextual language barrier universal theory local issues our 1st impression of Matera „maintaining my thing / way of working“ circumstances, adapting, stepping out vs continuing with the known setting up curating education reflection on education offfence -organising/fence — something in between but would be flexible - a combination of things umbrella: our safety net keeping open - her (outsider) - not completely clear WHY you're going content - personal project form (living together) external person / curator what is my personal topic? motivation + learning goals 2 sentences -from there find a frame update on the visual identity idea: a little assignment in development throughout our time short version of the manual livestream as a security camera fences timeline so much data, don’t invent more, input HOUSING we started writing an email draft that we could send out to seek for housing, which should be translated to Italian by enrico (niels - how’s it?) looked at a potential place: ___ ---------- ---------- 2018/09/04 #M01 OFFFENCE Finances ---------- ---------- 2018/09/12 #M03 Education values ---------- How to educate ourselves with life experience How we are going to divide our learning outcomes What education can consist of? What does alternative education actually mean for us? What does it mean to take responsibility of your own study programme? Programme based on trust, transparency, no hidden agenda, a feeling of emotional empathy, emotional link, how much of these will we represent in this experience? Curdin: Values of education? Values of design education. Let’s specify it a bit more. Two different things in this manifest: human values. Are those really educational values? Balance between collective - self education. Coming to terms on a set of values that isn’t just derived from our previous semesters at design academy. ---------- ---------- 2018/09/13 #M04 Stay, housing, Grima ---------- Agreed on presentation format for ODS. Defined main points and topics, Hannah as main speaker. December - feedback moment for your invididual project! ---------- ---------- 2018/09/18 #M05 Recap, Housing, Flights, Schedule ---------- ---------- 2018/09/23 #M07 1st Peer Feedback ---------- ---------- 2018/09/24 #M07 Documentation ---------- HOW TO DOCUMENT HOW TO (we) TELL A STORY? ‘baso campo’ filter / no filter big amount of data —> #curation live stream window to the outside takeover on all media (one curator, many producers) Instagram / website / magazine / broadcast broadcast — small snippets / 5 min stories (cutouts from meetings) define what we want to give to the world? documentation vs reportation WHY DO WE NEED TO DOCUMENT? — for personal reflection — for ourselves — the data we collect can give us more insight — for others — website (breaf, general) — more targeted — local newspaper column, how we relate to them & chance for them to relate to us — bring back fire to the DAE (create introduction material) (good reason for what we did — fundament / base layer / evidence / illustration) — enhance storytelling — to make it understandable for a general public — get the values and essence of our collective accross — bring back population / get rid of the ’shame’ feeling — should be understandable with the general public that we could think WITH them not only through instagram / nice picture WHO’S THE RECEIVER? who are we trying to address — self — us — friends group (show alternatives (within design education)) — DAE, peers from DAE (more of an educational experiment) — next generation, current 2nd year — people INSIDE the bubble <— can help us to connect more — possible collaborators — floating university Berlin — open up the network — general person — ‘the follower’ <— make people excited („i saw all of these pictures! what are you doing?“) — family, friends — people from Matera (respect the local audience) — locals who went abroad — foundation — — — the person who is interested “if mum and dad and brother can understand, everyone can understand“ WHAT MEANS AND MEDIUMS? — interactive (look through with the people) — instagram (easy access) (content / invitation) — living body of information, constant presence — would not shy back from subjectivity — place where we SHARE — less curation — platform for experimentation — communication tool — live process, showing things — social media — professional network — global / local — COLLECTIVE PROCESS BOOK — document our failures — NARRATIVES — WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PASS ON WHEN YOU MEET A PERSON? — pool missing: no documentation of this — — — — — collective, individual, happy italy, DIFFERENT MEANS FOR DIFFERENT OUTSOUCES TONES AND LEVELS OF COMMUNICATION —> receiver? medium? INDIVIDUAL process book —> receiver:self /reflection 2 DDW what do we want to present? what way do we want to show ourselves? panel discussion / live stream moments ---------- ---------- 2018/09/27 #M08 What is DDW for us? ---------- *** CHARLIES NOTES *** CF: DDW is a channel of communication, do we want to use it to say something? To target a certain audience? BM: Its good to communicate to those outside of our context, those at DDW, but still, We don't want to give them everything we are, but also jsut showing impressions of the collective, energy of the collective, etc... CF: If we know who we are communicating to then we can decide exactly how and what we are communciating. SR: Its a new tendency that some people are against DDW, but does this come from our fear of not being far enough in our process, or our fear of not being able to focus on our own process here. What is the format of this? Is there a work group? Does it have to fully represnt 12 views? Are we ready to overthrow our schedue again? It would require a group to work on this intensively because working together takes time... BM: IF we do something, if it’s unclear or blurry, it doesnt need that much work. PA: We shoudlt ake the chance to do something, even if its jsut to show that we exist. We are trained to work in small periods. If we are here to question our education, then lets set deadlines and go for it! Small time is not problem for me. NL: Im having a ard time just showing that we exist, or just showing a trailor, something blurry. Creating empty hype could be useless. There is no reason except having a spotlight. CF: It would be a shame to not do anything, and not show of us. I would like to wrap up: If we want to make a stsatemtn of being part of the DDW. Through this discussion about positioning aourse;ves towards DDW. If we decide not to go, we don't want to prtesent hollow projects, then that is alreadya a statemnt expressing a certain value. SR: I am not against DDW, I am not for this eyars DDW. It would present something premature, distracting us, rahter than participating next year. HCS: thats a good point but my fear is that enxt year were all on exchange. PA: BM: LR: I would like to add to ben that we could use the dutch design week to exhibit what we will be. CF: I liket this idea, but that creates expectations, what will that do to us? To our perception of our own image? I see that it would create more pressure than do something good. BM: We don't need to make any promises, we cna jsut show what we did, what is real. AK: I think its also interesting to see what we can do withthis pressure. It’s always there, lewts use it to learn. How do you follow up with this pressure? SR: This is similar to what the documetnation team is doing. LR: we could always create a lecture, and show what we are doing in eindhoven. All of us be there. CF: coming back to ben, I wonderthat if we look at we did already, do we have an overview? What are we looking like? Can we make a moment where we altogether look at what we’ve been doing so far? Do we want to show how we work as an educational system? Do we show how we work in a context? I feel that theres not enough material yet. SR: Pierre and Lucas i understand what this performance thing could be, but i still thing it would be jsut talking about talking instead of content. It shows method but no content or matter. PA: DDW is 7 days, its going to take very little time, not 4 hours day. I can present my map, a trailor, havw disucssions, these are activities .... BM: I dsont understand wether we want to show our expereiments, but video is a good medium, because it has a time limit. SHowing the workshosp we have with curdin only show method not content. We ar edoing itneresting things. Im talking about the hiking but also some things like these are differnt from school and could be very interesting. CF: I ahve an idea where all this could come together: What if we would collect these questions, and tag them all over the school, and hijack them, and show snippets of what we are doing. What we show is that we are questioning ourselves. We show the questions that led us to do this minor. SR: DOcumentatio nteam had the idea to take what we havwe so far and just show it as it is, by choosing somem highlihghts and momentds like meeetings and workshops and external collaborators as well as context and liesure, inbetween way of living. WEe have videos adn hptoos and sound recoridngs. Idea was to make a video presentation on the wall outside the building here with the invitation of the band that played hte ambient music in the street. As soon as we had two minutes of brteak, we were all out on the street. It adds a lot to the expereicnce of the city. The idea was to do the audiopvsisual presentation with italian subtitles, to actually react to the people. English narration, commetns from people from the gorup. We don't hav ethe orde rof image ans files. We colected on the uimages and video from everyody, enlisted some of the key moments that are relevant and documented form multpiple perspectives. DVD: We have a lot of audio material from our meetings which we could use to hijak the school. Its also interesitng to treat arena as the fact that its a place where people go for 45 minutes and focus there attention on the content in that timeslot. I want to create something that would make them feel something, and painting a mood with installati0n , immersive, audivisualexperience... SR: I like that graduation show is out of the scho9ol. We could use a difference in context to show whnat we do. NL: We are only talking sbout form rather than content. DVD: I feel like that a lot of the content was agreed on and discussed through the channel of form. Of course discussing through the channel of form is easier, since proposals are concrete, but we should look back a tthe notes and see what content has been agreed on. CF: I want to clarify. I think my idea can help us think in the form of questions. If we are trying to get ack to the values of who we are, its good if we go back to the questions that we have. We don't have to make psoters, but they can help us to find out what were about. BM: Reflecting and putting things in words will be too difficult for us. If we show something that is brief, intense, blurry about our content, ********** BREAK ********** DVD + SR: Lets do the wlaking discussion/proposal methodology. DVD: an example would be: I think we should sue our oppertunity to voice our questions about our collective NL: DOes anyone have proposals for DDW? PA: I am working on mapmof our nettwrok here in matera very objectively in matera. WHo is part of the ODS, what are theyre roles. The same for IAC, the friends we have that acted as bridges, conections. The problem is that its verty impersonal, boring,. I want to add a parameter which is time. Jan Rothizen: this guy makes maps, text, everything by hand. Stareting by drswing 12 young students, map the discussions we had, how we started, and then by the time we met diogo, how he connected us to matera, ods , joseph. A little bit about telling our story through a map, to speak a little bit about form. I could do this map quite big. Since its very much about inspiration, lets take inspiration from leisure graduate dan, and create a map where 50 meters a way there are zoom glasses, and use them to see far away into the map. A bit relating to us being in mater anad the visitor being in eindhoven. If i work hard it can be done by dutch design week, create and inspiration there, share our story. DVD + KM: Please summarize, reformulate. NL: It was really clear, so no need to reformulate. DVD: Formulating these proposals could help the voting process later. SR: My proposal is to build a parralel universe to matera in eindhoven, where we can discuss the contextuality of our work, and we could present our work next to each other and discuss collective decisions on education. If we don't show individual projects than we could just dicuss education. But if we have individual projects that are processed enough to show, then we shoul show them in parrallel to eindhoven to show contrast. PA: I quite agree to your idea, but maybe for the next one since we hav emuch more content. CF: I would like to repropose my previosu rpoposal: to work with hte edium of poster in referwnce to death announcement posters in matera: we would sue them to ask the question we ask ourselves in Mtera, to target student in design academy, and people interested in our making of our own education. BM: I woudl like to bring back my proposaL< but i would also like to combine differnt media. I want to use video to communicate mood, emotion to the ddw, and we could us ethe posters to go further than this, and empower our values of quesitoning oruselves. AK: I have a questio nfor CF: DSO you also see this as a performance ( doing it on the spot) or would you separate that. CF: We would use the performative part yes, its something to think about. DVD: I would beign interms of content at our audio recordings of our meetings and try to isolate some questions that we fidn interesting that relate to our collective here, our values, our anxieties, our struggles. Int he context of DDW: I would sue the arena timeslot for film, and places like METAPonto are very ambient, and using this as video, and the questions as audio, WOul show our feeligns in a very uncensored way. HCS: I disagree that people going to arena will give undivided attention. People who go to arena aren't very focused when they go there. We wil be just another item on the arena menu. If we want to catch their attention, it has to be very strong. If its blurry then it wont grasp their attention. DVD: FOr me I think that people are watching for 5 minutes. It should be blurry, and ambient and modd related and even if its blurry, it conveys our emotions being here. CF: I would make a proposal to go away from form, and maybe its a right time to look back at our manual: w elive and work in an open communotiy, What does that mean? We can aslo make more specific questions: How does education work if all the students are living i nthe same place. I propose that we speak about content and work the questions through. SR: I think charlies proposal would bring a lot of content, but i highly question the form. It would be valuable for us to go with it.. LR: I have a proposla about form. We could use what we already have with the kay meting. We could ask the audience through sky p to answer the questions, or give us feedback, or aask about really practical questions. NL: an open call on our collective problems. HCS: I think DVD and CF havea good point. I would extend this by looking back at our meeting notes and opersonal notes, and isolate sentences and statmetns and questions what we have as a collective or as individuals. Example: When we had this meeting of when we were collecting our frustrations about why we came here. Or when janneke says at a eetingthat ye guys you cna go to matera. PA: I think that if we want to captivate people, and stay and understand our messaghe, I would come back to the idea that lucas had, to go there, and make those experimetns of talking, and make the public part of it, make it interactive, and if we have the content related to what charlei and dominik were talking about as well as bens video we could create this ambience. DVD: We could make the audience walk in our shoes , or make them hav the experience we are having. Give the audinece th chance to do education as we are doing it, if we make themm part of our collective, and prompt them with our fundamental qustions.. SR: I think that participation could work. Responsibility also comes in mind, we take responsibiltiy for our own educational decision making. This is at the essence of what we are doing. We could really sharre this with the audience. CF: It might be ignorant to think tha tthe audience will be interested, so how could be implement that? PA: Indeed Im worried people wont participate, but opening the discussiona nd inviting them to particiapte would be good. We are about horizontal educatioon, and if we have a tlak its a discussion not a lecture. HCS: I have a formal idea: Relating to leo and victors performance iwth hte suits. Why not ditch the aren and hijack the whole gradaution show and claim our space in the show, and ask people to join us into these discussions. DVD: i have my last contribution: I think we can ask the best quesitons and people will be mindblown, we could be provoking. A scenario: lets say we are i nthe arena and make statemetns rahter than questions. It would also be really funny if we have two people begging for money at the DDW. SR: I disagree that the audoence will lose itnerest. Its in our hand tobring matter to the table thats interesting for us. Its up to us to create discussion, debste. I don't want to create aperformance, its distracting from the conversation. I would choose the format where its easy to create a conversation about our education. If its a perrformance than its too much about mood. If we sit people in a circle and ask clear questions about where we are, we could ask really important quwstions about educationa and horixzpntaliy. PA: I think we ar ereally good at communciating with each other, and having a discussion could be very good for DDW KM: These propsoals are a little toom uch about dicussion. HCS: I don't know how to fully formulat eit, but it would be itneresting to back to broadcasting and lviestreaming, but in a way of questioning whast it means to livestream from context to old context, and how value cna be created, and this goes back to parrallel universe. CF: I would propose not to compress everything into one mdeium that would risk a lot especially livestream. I think a medium where to things happen together. SOme rpopsoals are about asking questions to hte audoence and some ar eabout bringing matera to eindhvoen. Are they both eequally important, adn we could choose one of them, NL: Tio add to gthat, its a good idea to think of such a rpesenttion where one part could be educational, one could be contextual, anf the last could be the hat on the floor. FOr examplle doing a sound installation in the campina, and play the churhc bells of matera in compeltelty strange time everytime we want to make a performacne. BM: I understand the content is impotnat, but the form does a lot, and if we show a video, its a smart way of escaping our res[onsibilities of anaswering questions and being there. PA: for the sake of conetrstaion don't mix form and format. HCS: I don't get the point. I don't understnad hwy this is impotnat to bring up. PA: I think its impritnat to bring content, and its difficult to tal about that without beinging in the format. CF: Maybe its good to now summarixe and create a round of positioning. NL: A lotfo the propsoals are about talking about what we are about. Whereas on paper they could be good proposals, but they disgaree with my proposals at the beginning of the day. PA: Was your porposal charlie to put our propsoals on paper, to position ourselves? CF: Yes but not to make any decisions right now, just to get an overivew. KM: Till now I feel like I let Diogo define his role by himself. LR: After a talk of 1h with Diogo, about his project in DAE, then open structures (ODS), then Matera context itself. I don’t see him as Kay. Hes more a friend I can learn from. CF : Value in giving values in how he perceives education and question on how we can do things differently. P : diogo has 2 different roles, group and individual. He is an expert in education mediation, he opend our mind a lot of times. Indivual he is good in making contacts. Contextualy he helps us KM: I’m starting to see in clarity in his role. Starting in contacts, this was helpfull in the beginning. In this point he gave all he got ( not necesarry anymore). I do see potential in him coming back once in a while to shake up in the group. Talking with him indivdual he broadens the view, not specific, more like a big brother. He did what my coaches should have done in the first 2 years. PK: I agree on the term of coach CF: I wonder then if we can split, can we see diogo as someone as a friend and a guide. If we want to apploy him we should apploy him as a guide. As a friend he helped us to asstablish contact. I will suggest to pay him as a guide, he is responsebal for group education, i see that as his actual role. KM: I agree, I see him as guide/coach. But how should we put that in a format of paying. HS: On hours, diogo gets the same payment as kay. LR: Also an important question is; is Diogo more important for the collective or for the school ? Ofcourse he is connected to the school. F SR: Diogo is our contextual link, Diogo is more part of Matera than to school. PK: He is as much part of the collective, as Matera. KM: I will porpose that Diogo is our guide, turbelance creater, collective role. He also somehow notice that we not all need the personal guidance. Some need it some don't, we all arrange this personaly. CF: We need to ask him if we is ok with these extra hours. HS: Until kay is not skyping with us he is filling up the empty spots. We all have change talking with him but there should be specific time slots. NN: He is interesting to talk to regarding the assignment we gave ourself. SR: He is not the role of a teacher, or on indivual projects. More in collective PK: You can talk with him, but not offical on your own project CF: Can I suggest, a question: what do we want from diogo when he comes here ? 1st point - assignments within the collective. 2nd - he can give us assignments. SR: To not mix roles to many times, defining the role of diogo. It was a huge change when he stept out of his role. When he stept out of his role I had problems with it. There where moments when I took a different role that we didn't empore him in. I had problems with placing him in a role, was he djudging(?), evaluating or observing. B: I understand, but he was changing his role. Because we were asking questions to him. We were looking for this. An affective side was also that Curdin was questioning his silent. Maybe Diogo thought that he was to soft, so he changed his role. PK: There’s also another aspect, he was also protecting us from Curdin. SR: Why would Diogo protect the converstation from us ? or from Curdin ? PK: Diogo wanted to step between us ( curdin and us ) - KM: I understand your question, diogo assumed a specific responsilbity from us. Why need diogo to feel responsable ? How necesarry is his responability over us ? CF: I think the reason why you came up with this situation. Because we were talking about him giving us assignments, but it’s not necesarrry that he gives his opinion. He is going to be the mediatior but not one of us to give his opinion. HS; When we decided in the working groups, he commented to help with the assignment. Do we see him as an important input in our working groups ? Or do we just want his opinion on the overview of our education EL: My experience is that I talked with him about my individual project. There was no tention, he was just giving other streets to go in. PK: I feel, ( personal) . He did a lot for us, we have a lot to be thankfull about. He is a brother, a friend, and we shouldn’t exclude him right now. KM : I would just like to mention, but knowing Diogo. He doesnt expect anything in return. Big part of his work is to start us. PK: Then it’s a reason more for me to thank him a lot, because he is not waiting for anything in return. SR: do you see him as the 13th member of the collective ? PK: Kind of B: If i go somewhere and I go to the jungle and he guides us he helps me. So i don’t see diogo as the 13th member. In my feelings he is a member but in real life not. KM : I wouldn’t call him the 13th member, but our confusion with him is all about horizontal eduaction because we see him as the same as we are. CF: I think there is still the urge to communicate to him how we see him. Once we going to work with him and we see him as a mediator he wouldn’t give his opinion. CF: maybe we can agree on a term. SR; I can very much relate to the term of consultant. We mapped out what kind of questions we can ask and want to ask him. We should as him about this. Part of why he stepped out because the teachers where approaching him differently than we were approaching him. BM: I think he is taking the role of horizontal eduaction. I hope he effect kay and curdin with his position. He understand way better what we are doing here than them. PK: difference between consultant and coach BM: A consultant is someone is giving you the advice to do better. A coach is someone who tells you to continue. KM: It’s a description of our perspective, so anything is ok but we will define our perspective on this word either Consultant / coach. PK; why shouldn’t he give his opion ? SR; It’s because it’s his field of research, he is also here to study this group. How do we work in group dinemics, context. Something that he’s done before, not he’s observing this one. It would or could interfear with how this group develops. For the langer myority he took out his opion. KM: We rely on his opionon, in the past. We can also not agree with it. SR: Diogo is not anymore objective, it’s his field of studies. BM: Consultant and coach, i tried to define 2 roles. He is also opposite of a coach because a coach just fires questions and you think about it. SR: 2 points - I would call him contextual expert. - He’s definitly someone with a a lot of knowledge on “know how” - THe assignment is specific something that he has to deal with it the same as the teachers, he needs to know what we want from him to react on it. CF: If we call him contextual expert he needs to be paid for that. So lets call him a friend, he is helping us with contextual things in the field of contextuality. PK: I agree with charlie, he is contextual expert in eduaction and matera. He never came to the group as an expert in the context. He came in the group as a coach/consultant. KM; lets not go into these little details. What needs to be communicated to him ? AK: Leave the calls open and not say what he needs to talk with us about. CF: We need to communicate to him his role when he is here as a educational mediator, coach, consultant.... SR: What i see as a proposal, whenever we discuss about timings these are the people to contact. But he should have the right to parcitipate in our feedback sessions when we need it and want it. PK; We also come to him quite often for help, it has to be easy going and respectfull. SR; I will porpose ; One of us has a skype call with him what we discussed today. That we aare also going to talk with the other 3 members. The role in the group has not changed. HS: If we give him 1 day that we send him practical things ( money ) - We also should give him a time frame. It’s a bit naive from us to think that he is always free for us. SR: The other day i contacted him with a spontanious question and he was chatting in a good way. We shouldn’t assume that he is open for this, but we should ask him. He reacts quite spontaniously. KM: If he isn’t paid for the individual talks, would it be problematic to set hours for this ? because he is not paid for this. SR: He proposed the wednesday, so it’s ok. BM: We should use this time to talk with him about. I’m quite supprised that many of you have asked him for help so how can you question his role ? NN: It goes a bit back to that he communicated to these planned skype calls, it’s unofical. CF: He can play 2 roles, mediator when he’s here and when he’s from a distance. SR: I asked him about a book title, that’s it. NN: It taps in on the fact that some people see him as a friend. That’s why it’s hard to communicate to him how we see him in the collective. SR; we have an official window and you can be as unnofical as you want with him from a distance. He shouldn’t give opionions and feedback based on his relationship with you ( individuals ) ---------- ---------- 2018/09/28 #M09 RECAP: Schedules, and Working Groups ---------- RECAP 1 Schedule - overall: worked out well - keep Aperitivo on Friday - too many collective discussions? - work groups were not included in collective time - meetings are tiring - no drive for individual work - foresee: will working groups interfere with individual work? - MONDAY short kick-off: get to work: recap - FRIDAY gathering what needs to be done, overview - homework - START EARLIER? MON, THU 9:00 - we need to work smarter - good that we learn how to listen to each other - tendency is good - ADD ADMINISTRATIVE SLOT 2 Working Groups - you can join 1 not more - try different formats of working groups - what is the max. of each group? 2-3 - experiment: what is the best to do on Friday? 3 What came out of the meetings this week? Sunday: emotional tension, group reflection Monday: working groups, schedule, documentation, Skype with K Tuesday: individual time, Skype with K Wednesday: supposed to be individual, studio, handing in car, aperitivo, evaluation criteria, cleaning day, budget and finance, Meeting with Diogo (only Lucas took it), moving into AirBnB Thursday: DDW - 20minute emotional therapy - collective assignment (homework) - postpone decision on DDW, Diogo’s role in OFFFENCE, cut contact with DAE, new voting system, when is Diogo coming? - documentation workgroup Friday: documentation brainstorming, Niels x K, recap Working Group Tasks Evaluation Criteria: sent in content Documentation Group: instagram, reflection Schedule,Experimental Methods: X did not meet Wall: saying yes to IAK, arrange meeting Aperitivo: done yum! Studio Group: ongoing process Budget: calculations done, forms sent in, +1000€ 4 Next Week - start MON / THU at 9:00 (trial) - when working groups are made they agree on time to meet - add Administrative Slot (THU) - give each others feedback, assignments (no time slot needed) - 10:00-13:00 present home work (“what we are about”) lunch break - 14:00 - 15:00 decision DDW - tell Kai to do his homework ---------- ---------- 2018/10/01 #M10 KICK-OFF: Experimental Filters, Documentation ---------- WORKING GROUPS #EXPERIMENTAL (pierre/dominik, lucas + kai) — list of educational experiments — choose something for this week (Thursday) DOCUMENTATION (hannah, alex, karl) — go through all the material — continue on Instagram — last week’s happening ACCOMMODATION S (emma, niels) — For Kay & Curdin — for us (4-10.10) GUESTS n FRIENDS (charlie, ben) — think of who to invite (guest lectures) — add names to the libary — make a list of professions (Janneke) — DIOGO — ask Diogo when he’s coming — when are we skyping with Diogo? SCHEDULE 9:30 kick off assigning working groups schedule of this week - Thursday? 10:00 assignment ddw? values? 13:00 lunch 14:30 working groups skype with diogo charlie karl niels alex #freestyleroutines (Daily) exercise for self-reflection 1 Take a mattress to the Sassi. 2 Choose a wall. 3 Jump from that wall. Try to hit the mattress. 4 Repeat. Kai’s feedback: Clear message is important to show to the outside what we are about Simple introduction for a first impression Depicting reality over depicting ideology How can you show something that is not only an idea we have of ourselves? Karl’s feedback: Invites the collective to use his project / to develop it further Citicises the formulation of the question: directy asks for an answer for values Easy to answer with words “What we are about” was unclear Proposal of making a direct assignemnt: e.g. Make A Chair Showing individual methods, attitudes Ben’s feedback: We realised what we are missing in our project Pierre’s proposal: Take over assignment of another student? First develop our own assignment further? Niels’ comment: It’s too early. We should dive into our approach deeper first. Maybe I dont want to continue, maybe I dont want to take over somebody’s assignment. DDW: pro/ Exercises could be great to share and learn how to communicate clearly to an outside audience. We are able to produce quickly. con/ If we don’t feel ready, we should not share. No making for the sake of making. Not polishing things up for people to like what we do. Karl’s comment: I am not agreeing with making our presentation about “what we are about” Which is a shell, or just our attitude and not about our actual actions Alex’s comment: Are we afraid to participate in DDW? Is it maybe good to get feedback? Pierre’s comment: Paradox: We dont want this project about the final outcome. But why are we then hiding our process here? Let’s find value in presenting a process Niels and CF: Let’s show our process in an easy way/ Let’s show our process to people/context in Matera/ PA: Why not make our own DDW in Matera? KM: We are linked to the DAE. Are we already part of the DDW? Is there expectations? Are we participating even if we dont participate? What shall we spend our energy on? MIDTERM vs. DDW IDENTITY vs. CONTENT Reflecting on the assignment: “I really like what happened today, but there’s so much going on in my head“ Karl not comfortable with a poetic translation individual methods came clear (also work that does not create language) „How do you go about defining beauty in matera“ about formulating assignments Charlie good to start open(ly) Ben I realise what I miss in my project. what to do to make something consistent „Let’s redo the assignment and see“ Niels „I think it is too early to do it again. I would give it a few weeks“ It was necessary to have this assignment now starting point: what we are about as a poster it’s great to give the same message through a post card Let’s see on Thursday whether we want to do an assignment for Monday Lucas It was good to get an input. Pierre We could switch assignments, and take on someone elses Hannah Good to get a better understanding on where we are at this moment Realisation in values, … Doing small things for US — instead of throwing something into DDW we are not ready to show something just yet? the audience — there’s a lot of value to show what we do and how we do it. the problem is: we haven’t done a lot yet. PA: I am convinced that we have something to show and to say. nothing is pretentious. it can bring open discussions (what we’re doing, the legacy of it) valuable for us and for the audience (to ask themselves a question) what would be the reason not to go? we know how to work fast and good, and produce <— if we continue in this direction, … Kai: exercise to gather the opinions of other people NN: we can go and be a success, but if we don’t have anything to say, does it actually matter? what would it be about? (karl —> not wanting this to be about what we are about <— can communicate but should not answer) should be : showing the actions, not what we are about we would show what we want to be about, but we’re just staying in the loop of talking about it Expectationa vs reality is this something were about or what we want to be? what we face now shifting focus from matera to eindhoven (3 weeks) — are we ready to show? and to get feedback? making content, not thinking of how to translate it opening a collection of actions, not rushing to translate, reflect, curate and put it into a presentable form we wanted to build an archive, look back to it, why do we now want to put it into a book are we afraid to go to ddw? would also be good to translate, and get some speed into it which bubble do we want to be in? „facing a paradox“ we can continue to produce content, finding value in a process, how to present… are we afraid that we don’t have any content? we are shifting focus from the context -> the bubble discussion, became urgent just now. do we need to focus on eindhoven again? -> try to participate IN matera, not just report back to the mothership (ddw) how do we show our process to matera? not to eindhoven better show it here than in eindhoven. what matters the most? are we already a part of DDW? if we don’t care about their input wht do we still ponder about this? we want to be discomfortable VOTE: WHERE ARE WE AT? yes: 1 no: 7 (of 9 participants) WHY? 1. question was of content („We have nothing to show“) 2. question is of context („I’d better present here“) It’s not when you have something to show is that you have to show it. ---------- ---------- 2018/10/04 #M11 Individual vs Collective, Italian Class ---------- 1 Minute of Silence DVD: This fornat of discussion is new to me. I will start by talking about mysellf. COming to matera, individually, is to do many projects, not just one, that are more related to my skills. I want to each and argue and learn effectively. If i share this knowledge then i understand it clear. I would very much like to teach this. Collective system development and website. Its a small project for me. Also playing around with the vidual identity. These are the things i can think of right now. I don't mind doing collective things in my individual time. Keeping the same amount of individual time is good. Its ok, although up to this time a lot of it has been occupied by collective work. I would like to protect that, by setting a clear outline during kickoff lets say. I feel its always easy to fnd urgencies to use our time at meetings. CF: My activites on the individual project are related to memory with the abaresh people, or using music as a way for them to keep their memory. I need time for that, and flexibility to trave l and meet these people. I feel I would nnneed 4 or even 5 days individually. The collective project: I would like to mediate better, and take a step back from giving my iopinion, and practice a moderator role, to start to listen more. I hope thats okay with you, I would like to take that role more. NL: With the collective i came here i was interestd in breaking out of the eindhoven design bubble. Weve taken a step and become a unit here. I don't think we should stick so much as a unit together. I would like to separate a little bit and relate a little more to people outside our bubble. It might need me to learn italian so i can work with these people. I would reccomend only two collective days. We need to be smarter with this time. We need to stop making these working groups holy, and 4 days of individual time is the minimum for me. Individual time is then easier to mould. It can be driven by excitement rather than duty or schedule. EL: I mainly came to this collective to develop myself. I was really relying on the teachers feedback. I find it challenging to work on my own assignment, being responsible for myself. So far, I have been reflecting on peer feedback and guides feedback. Now I want to find methods for myself to get my project going. I need quite some individual time to work on it: Minimum of 4 days. Collective time is really interesting to me. I want to practice on how to speak up in a group. I learn from how people formulate things. But some days are too long for me, I loose my focus then. Its not really efficient for me. Maximum 2 days for collective work. HS: I find it very hard to position myself in the collective. There are too many different things on our plate - individual projects seem to take over. We deal with how to discuss, how to communicate with each other. There are too many layers. The individual work is something that we are very used to from the design academy. I don't really know what to do with my own project. I now had the pressure to make my own thing, asking What am I without an individual project? For me 2 days of collective work is too little. I don't know what the best balance between individual and collective would be. I don't want us to become a colony. I have been thinking about making a project about and for the collective. The moment it involved more people than me, I would need to ask for permission. I don't want to impose my opinion on the collective. I would like to do something where I can be free for myself. KM: I am escaping individuality at the DAE. I would like to focus on collaboration. I would like to learn whether I am better in collaborating or in working on my own. I cant create a clear division between collective and individual time. I like the idea of Thursdays and Fridays being collective days and the rest of the days of the week being easy to modify. BM: In my individual time, I thought it did not make sense to work on my own project. I want to break out of the bubble of DAE. I would like to collaborate but not on an obvious level. I liek to observe you all and try to understand how you all interact together. Maybe I deny the duty of making research by behaving like this. But I think it is important to take the human being first, then I can understand better what people need. I want to help people without being intrusive and coming with my own statements. I am focused on perception and social intelligence rather than doing personal research. I came here to join you guys to be in contact with everyone. I would like to learn from the differences of us. What can I offer to you? What can you offer to me? I would like to keep 2 days of collective days at least. In the collecitve I don't try to collaborate now and to have individual projects at the same time. First I would like to study you guys, then I would like to focus on an actual collaboration. AK: The struggle has become an activity. I question what role I can take, a diffferent identity. I didn't decide on a specific topic yet but my own seeking for an identity comes through being in a collective. Its very confusing for me to make a division between me and the collective. I think we return to the individual structure of the DAE but we never decided on a different structure to work on - I don't know if you are interested in that. I would like to be interested in learning from you and studying you. I really enjoyed our small collective assignments. I think that anyhow we are in the context anyway. I would like to join the group of evaluation criteria - rethinking about how we define context as a criteria I have problems with the individual days - I would like to share more with people. I think this is a personal approach though, I am still confused. DVD: Can we make comments now. I rthink its very interesting what hannah said. We need to focus a little more on collaboration. Its an exercise i n trust. Its liberating to collaborate with so many people. CF: I would like to make a round on sharing where weve found a starting point. KM: Starting point could be interesting to share friday during peer feedback. BM: its really hard for me to talk about a “project” in the design acadmey classsical way. Its really shallow. I would like to focus more on experience now. Its good to be open to developemnt, or failure. There is no failure. Failure is only total when youve failed to everyone and that is never the case. CF: How much do you need to question how you work at the desing academy. You don't work a tthe design academy as your t aught. You work as you concsiously decide to find comfort in tha tsystem. Does the collective offer you enough freedom support to do it the way you like to do it now? What do you need from us to help you in your process? BM: the first premis for me now is observation , maybe later in other premises i will need help, but for now i think were not on the same..... I don't think so. I think for now everything is good, but i don't have answers now. I only have questions. I don't want to share now. KM: I would like to stress the right to not participate. We should not feel pressure to participate. NL: all these statements given todya are almsot completely compatible. There is not m8uch disagreement. The collective is the driving force? Who sees this? Should that happen as part of the schedule? Could that happen in smaller working groups? KM: I would like to suggest that sooner or later we should be open for a collective project. Starting from developing my own way of working and then opening up when I see potential in helping and being helped by others, I think though we should not force collective time. DV: I want. I need. I expect. I think these statements are important for us to work on. I think the collective can bring us together in these thoughts. I do think we dont have a collective goal though. I highly value KICK OFFs and RECAPS to bind us toegther. I think its important to have a notion of finding a role. KM: Hannah - has anything changed so far? HCS: I think I need time to gather my thoughts. I feel guilty when putting my private time too much into the collective. I somehow think I should work on myself more. The collective work always interferes with individual work. Are we protecting individual time? Can we find more support from the collective? Can we somehow cut down on the working groups? KM: My individual time is fast. My collective time is slow. HCS: I dont think that individual time is necessarily fast. For me all work is slow. I dont want it to be like that. NL: Its slow to take decisions when were ar eso many doing it. Maybe it would often make more sense that people who are itnerested in a theme would collect in smaller groups around it. Maybe we could free up more time if everything is based on willingness rather than duty. DVD: I think thats very beautiful. But it hink that goes against our notion of breaking our comfort zone. We all came here by choice. The distinction between me time and colelctive time, is it something that we plan or decide on ourselves? I think that the ideal scenario where verything is voluntary is ideal, but it think that ignores.... Its very hard to come iup with a system where evrything comes out of want CF: Why don't we create a week where we only have individual time! But what i see happening, is a week with no obligatory collective meeting, than we can use our own attitude, and so I will be able to go to that village with 4 or 5 people, and open up my project to change. Just having people participate in a project for one day is not forced, and more based on willingness. What i mean is one week of focusing on one project and sharing that with others. KM: If we have a full week of individual time, I am afraid that collective tasks will hijack that time. For example picking up the printer. DVD: For me individual time includes the working groups. NL: Let’s just try and not speculate on things. KM: Changing from clearly protecting individual time. Now we are trying to protect collective time and leave the rest free for everyone to deal with it. DVD: We don’t want collective time to either shrink or take over. NL: Maybe we should see all time as voluntary time. We maybe are putting up too many boundaries. DVD: Our first schedule was a first tryout. Having no schedule for a week now could be a very interesting experiment. BM: For me it is not about making a difference between individual and collective. It’s about what people perceive what is happening in these times. I think people are scared to not produce something they think is productive. I would not like to have less collective time. DVD: I think Niels sees collective time more as something scheduled where everybody should participate. By individual time you mean that everybody can behave more freely and join into each others researches and group works. KM: proposal: lets only keep the meeting on Friday for next week: for peer feedback, recap, make plannings for the next week. See this as a test week format. DVD: Let’s make a minimum schedule and compare it to the one whe have followed so far. BM: I think there is a need to having us all together. I am trying to think dfor everyone here. It is a risk to just let everyone go for themselves. Maybe we individually get frustrated. We fall back into patterns of how we know how to work. DVD: In the worst case scenario, would it be alright for you to test this format out, even if you loose the group being together more often in the next week. BM: I can work with it. Is it a good solution for the group? KM: I think its good to mention the idea of comfort in your way of working. I would like to use the free time for next week to consciously make uncomfortable decisions. Now I am aware of it. Maybe we shouldnt plan this discomfort. DV: We could keep track of how we feel. Do we feel frustrated? Why? Then we have material for sharing with each other. CF: Youve made us all questions our patterns of behaviopur or ways of working. I now have trust in the attitudes of people to not fal back into pattersn of comfort, but we also need to repsect if they need that. I would be superinterersted in seeing through your lense next week, and see how that experreiment works. BM: Maybe sometimes you should keep in mind that its not if something makes you feel good, that its good for you, you don't have to force yourself to be uncomfortable. Im fine with this proposal. CF: if ben is mentioning group awareness, try to step out of your behaviour, what would it be like to step into someone else shoes for a few days, and see how he sees thinks. You're itnerested in showing us your way of working and thinking? BM: I don't work on tangible projects. I don't know if its the right choice Im working with other people. Am i denying my own indivudality or personal project by focusing on observaton? AK: I am in the same place and i think its goosd to hsare thist othe group. DVD: In the next week, in the voluntary days, do wha tyou like, invite others to collaborte, give a lecutre, recieve an assignement, give an assignment. In the working group next weeks, we cna decide when we meet and discipline oursleves that way, limit that, create boundaries and schedules individually. This is all stuff we can discuss next friday and seeing how it works. HCS: So you still want working groups? DVD: yes and they would meet at their own repsonsibility. HCS: And do we propose these things tomorrow? NL: could be anyhwere, even fb chat. DVD: yeah but we still have things to arrange like repsonsibilties of evaluation, working groups. CF: The Italian Class kick off can work well together with the new experimental open schedule. We have time to set a new focus on learning Italian, and we can find out what we need exactly. 1,2 or 3 days of Italian classes? How do they go with the schedule? ---------- ---------- 2018/10/05 #M12 RECAP: Experimental, Guests, Documentation ---------- PEER FEEDBACK Conclusion of working groups: #EXPERIMENTAL Going over the basis of the booklet with #experimental filters for discussions + #uncomfortable Reflection on Thursdays experiment (backs facing each other) reflecting / discussion on the schedule – how to do it better? Time slots & elemens https://docs.google.com/document/d/1roRLv5s607z9cOszMeoT1JGDDcea6XyTiL5ihTO4bIA/edit Guest lectures: Use the contacts we already have, who could these people link us to? Establishing good links, mapping out people here who would give us more input on more people. To find -> DRIVE -> COLLABORATORS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-s6Y6J5wOFcT_g4x3i1bho64l-MHs20C7ij8o53AaJM/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=117471051051800647147 Goal: make a link between people How can we value these people? How can we give back to them? mapping out connections question whether it's on voluntary basis or assumptions many things can't be dicided before, but when you dive in, you know - no money = space for trial and error (<- about watching video lectures, movies) Setting a budget for any kind of a lecture What do we need for our time being here? Discussed during peer-feedback Our own responsibility to pick people Collective decision on who will come? DOCUMENTATION Our daily life is actually our collective project - through this archive we can express it Send Ilja the instagram, ask feedback from external people ALEX DVD: your position is interesting, yourself being lost, started working with these videos (doc group) –– unique situation, so much material, use it to explore your fascination of narratives. set small assignments for you. make your own narratives, how does it change if you change the sound OR images? interesting as an excercise. training in understanding a narrative KM: super good presentation on monday, of the assignment – seeing you reacting to your own performance – liberating to make, expresses an emotion. how did you feel then and there – take that as a starting point. unknowness –– what do you do in your free time? – give yourself the space to be in that time – what would you do if you did all this stuff, what would be your approach, what do you consume, what literature, movies? does that feed your process? NN: idea of choosing a new identity whilst being here in matera – plays with the parallel society idea, being foreigner here (choice). connects to your performance on Monday. not having a topic – try many different topics! CF: niels said what i wanted to say. 'pressure' 'heavy weight' <– could that be a start for a research? maybe interviews on this topic? not the way you would connect, but maybe starting in the collective? psychological research EL: relating to karls points. you were super focused on the assignment –> think on how much you enjoyed it! KM: photos of virgin mary statues – there's so many! continue! so much that could come out of it. a superficial start, but it could reveal a lot! AK: yes, I'm analysing everything... KM: overanalysing is not the right way to go. how the context would inform my work? your values will show through the work that you do ANYWAYS. it worked for me.. DVD: interesting book in casa noha on the virgin mary statue. videos of the archive. don't worry of the contextual. HCS: archive more, looking at it, reflecting and adding a filter to then document it again BM: reading a thesis : how architectual students are influenced by context, and why should you go abroad? i feel like you are attracted towards situations, where pople are missing something, you're looking for confrontation, discomfort – a good tool to keep your emphaty – unknowing puts you into the same situation as your subject CF: strenghts: listening & sensibility for the individual in the group (a power you have)(not dependent on the group) KM: so interesting, you need to find the perfect comfort zone (holiday feeling) <– once you've had everything (coca cola, sigarettes, cleaning, running), what does happen then, HCS: there's a church you need to visit! KARL CF: you've made an interesting starting point already. you're saying practical excercises on coding, but i think you should just start maming material, and that the experiments are going to be good for your process. start coding, code code code, stop reading, just play. for a few weeks even! just thoughtless making <– could show you alot NN: I had a similar interest in the 1st semester last year. same starting point, breathtaken by his work. he has nice visuals + good in storytelling. If i were you, focus less on post photography, figure out what story do you want to tell? the details of the story. what fits to this aesthetics of Matera? it's hard to go the other way around (start from aesthetics and then make the story). I don't know how you'd go about in finding the story, but you seem to have quite some interest, tourists could be a trating point DVD: agreeing with Niels. google street view is a big archive. what narrative do you curate of people? Clement Valla – artist on glitch google images. interesting research, how much ddo you want to focus on the post photo of matera, how much do you focus on the 'reality' of google Maps on matera, medium makes the message. can also be a statement (depending on the way you frame it) HCS: narrate your own story over Matera? CF: do you feel ready to write your own narratives? I would not be sure, if I were you. Is it a nice challenge or do you need some support from somebody from the outside? collaboration? KM: blocked doors (only thing that is not mapped on google maps) CF: If you'd be stuck in writing, but maybe it makes more sense, look at all the material, try out some excercises, make it absurd, compose the images. maing a meaningful narrative? play. stop thinking for a while. DOMINIK KM: I'm going to ask vague questions. Now that you've collected the creepy emptiness, and you want to bring it here, there's a story being told. WHAT do you want to communicate? WHO is your audience? is it the tourists that are your audience? where would you place it? you mentioned you wanted to create a proect on code, i have a lot of research on this (python oriented, semantics, language) DVD: more for the offfence website CF: you want to bring the emptiness into a big format. what makes you think that way? that you want to bring it into a big format. then you have your audience in mind already. then you adress something that is not adressed. have you reflect on this already? what do you actually want to say? take some time off, it's not yet personal, maybe you went too fast. it's good to stay as personal with this project as you can, what do you want to do with it? EL: strong footage, but how do you communcate this story to the audience? NN: there was some clarity with the insects, some references. you did not explicitly say it, criticism on tourism (insects killing the fruits of the land, leaving it dead), there's 6 more sins to work on. don't make it so literal. it can be more subtle, maybe if it were your own footage, it would already be better. HCS: try to find the metaphores yourself, don't use others material, but try to find the contrasts yourself BM: nothing moves but the umbrellas, because of teh wind. nobody is there because of the wind. if there was no wind, there would be more people..? KM: about your urge to answer these questions. I'm sure you've answeredthem already, but it's more a push to answer them again. HANNAH NN: worries of superficiality will evaporate, once you start talking about the stairs and the doors of the people behind them (2 women talking through doors), can end up superficial, can also be not. it's important to talk to them about that. DVD: a deeper project. once you capture it enough times, it becomes a concept. if you find moments to see something interesting, you can ask people for .. lost it a lot of superficiality to reveal a deeper story. you need a lot of superficial evidence to support story and sensing. you need evidence, continue documenting the curiosity KM: agree with niels and dominik, superficial is not negative. interested in collaborating on the blocked doors (metaphoere) non beuatiful matera behind there. AK: inner outer space – also happening inside of you (body perspective) CF: don't stop searching/ documenting. even with a next step, let it continue. more trust and other possibilities –> then you can discover interesting new points. practical advizce: two weeks try to do something. not only a collector, either digital or material, take the challenge of first tryouts. doesnt have to represent, what did you miss when you document. EM: you did great this week, walking, pictures, becamemore excited, continuing like this –> can lead to someting. EMMA DVD: left, right divide – research: buy left and right newspapers and see who do they adress, how do they tell the same storyd? interview tourists who come from all around italy, on politics. as a way to colelct real life data KM: you usually talk about small scale inetrractions, something that is typical to the north and the south. you scale it up now way more, but i appreciate the small elements, human interaction, small behaviorual aspects, small design differences, maybe focus on the smaller scale. what one person would say there that is different than here. CF: in order to first gather material, what about talking to commuters, who always go back and forth, who have it a s a part of their identity, what is it in their stories that you immediatley hook up on. thry to be as open as possible. what makes you suddeny sparked? note only those things down! through dialogue NN: with the humour you should talk to giuseppe – how he sees the north. work vs leisure. local patriotism. what do people in altamura sat about matera etc.. and backwards! altamura as a party city vs matera as a relaxed place. these differences are always mentioned. AK: 2 weeks ago what was interesting - the joky side of this. you're going somuch into politics. people are joking about it, it's nice to take humorous side of thinngs. BM: common points betwene the notth and the south. opposite in the feelings, but in the facts they can be more similar. AK:refering to ben – 2 boyfriends, one from the north and one from the south. then you can focus on one person, build a bond with them.have the same kind of talks, to see the difference – fist hand knowledge. how do they see the same topics in different eyes? BM: references from the italian book HCS: personal research on how do you position yourself in this gap CF: a german writer, with an italian girlfriend from the north went to live in the south – ask giovanni about this NIELS KM: you said something about filling your time – NN: it was about starting somekind of a work CF: how reflective are you on which perspective you take? are you very subjective? analysing what others left behind, and making your own work based on that. how much are you interested how all this came to being? dom: why did you decide to capture these things with the same aesthetics, you deonetxtualise, what messages now stand in your book? why did you not choose for pohotos or just taking down the messages. using public space ( i lost him here)... interesting point of comparison – matthieu tremblin – the quy who copies the words of graphity, appropriating graphity and putting it back in a dif way BM: are you interested in the people who do this? the medium, place you found them in? the message in the place? or how is it intrepretatded by the people? the people, the medium or the message. NN: the situation of the people when they decided to make them – why do you exress your love in an abandoned cave in the sassi, what does it mean to them? the act of being there, the meditative act of copying someones style HCS: go to the other side of the gravina, and try copying the frescos CF: if you don't want to make it a story telling project. what is wrong in continuing with this exercise? it's great to get to know what you could do with the time- there's no need for a meaning.. BM: are you just observing or do you also want to participate? do you also want to make something? BEN DVD: tere's a lot of beauty that I can see in your treatment of teh wind, the interventions that are public, i see the potential, without imposing your own opinion too much. also a potential in the in-between spaces. can you combine the whistling with the limestone? in croatia there's a sea organ (google:sea organ), a very passive installation that uses waves to create sound on the beach KM: the 2 people that made the projects you wanted to – frustration – the best place to be! you could just pick up what they did, contact them, learn from them, replicate – just as a learning process, there's nothing wrong with copying and using what they have done already. there's no need to be unique, it will show through what you will do, anyways NN: picking up on the uniqueness, aks yourself, why? it's a very western way to think of it, but chinise crafts for example , when you can copy something great 1:1 you are the greatest craftsman. someone has already used any material you'dlike to start with. the projects you showed, had a very specific aesthetics. you could use the sma eprocess and do something completely different. with the archtectcture is also a good idea. proably there's a whisltiling project somewhere anyways CF: you can contact them, or you could just try to find a specialist on minerology, understanding the materials, make your own thing out of them, especially because you're making the work here in Matera. sometimes it can be healthy to not do the research, and keep yourself blind. now you learn how to deal with it. go to specialists who can try to help you understand the techniques of these people. EL: decide for yourself, whose feedback do you want to focus on? it's your own choice KM: ownership of ideas.. you can see a lot of gaps on what he did, and you could propose an update/development on what he did.. BM: the feedback is not really helpful... Karl has a lot of material for this situation! EL: if you notice this is not the feedback i want, you can in between also explain yourself. you don't have to wait for another week to try again AK: then start creatig a lab! start cominning all these things that make a sound, collect things and see what you had, create a table where you can put all these things on! CF: also interested in instruments. contact giovanni together, clay and sound, or a place to get building materials, we can do it separate but together. just to play together DVD: akt on the whistling, convince us/yourself that your doubts are or are not confirmed, just start playing! if you like ceramics aspect, focus on that, if you like the sound aspect, focus on that! KM: i'm open to bouncing ideas, maybe you need more time for feedback and conversation, you need to take the time! CHARLIE KM: I immediately pictured a presentation of man and well being, everyone is there with neutral colour, and charlie is there with abig fat smile and a dead goat on the table. design values and your own position in relation to the abresh people- i really like that. a concrete end goal: makin this instrument that needs to function the same way, how does that compare to their way of doing it. how does your process go through the way of making the same instrument. NN: how can you become one of them in order to..? drawing conclusions. you're not going to be one of them, don't focus too much on that. it can easily become an appropriation, it is important to make it yours, translate it somehow into something that comes from your cultural heritage, and not be appropriating in that way, not just making a caricature of their instrument CF: but how? NN: don't become them.. it's a big task. maybe find someone who has done something like that? there's a lot of discussion in that field of research, take inspiration from tribes. KM: you're using the word appropriation, but using your own culture to generate this, as it is to copy someone elses. this would be trying to be politically correct, i would stay away from speculating your values before making it. NN: everyone approprates all the time. be aware of when are you stealing someones aesthetics in an inapropiriate way. you need to understand the signals of a dead goat. (for example) AK: topic of memory. do you want to bring their memory.. how are you going to collect the memory? what memories are you collecting? is it the music memory or does the music need to memorize something else? are you going to use the music they make as memory? if your interested in them, just continue.. DVD: i see that you see music as an entry point for dialogue, interesting to look wider. Research methods to interview people (pictures for ex), without framing what you give them for a sincere answer, sincere question. copying a core part of their culture is not nice.. be humble! get knowledge on how it's made to give respect to how it is made, and you also already talk about it his way! how to get in – get married (joke) KM: don't worry about doing something right/ politically correct. i know you have no bad intentions – thats going to show through what you make. EL: i would not take it all too heavy, just start experimenting ( understood from your story) AK: hwat diogo sais: the role yuo coose as a designer. are you creating a platform, are you opening it up? hwere is the young generation? ca you bring them back? bring them together? not necessary to talk about heavy things but they come anyways. try thigs out but also constantly reflect . but you acn't go any further befor emaking. don't only think about the how. BM: NN: if memory interest you, it connects to the traditions, that withhold through the church and the festivals. how relevant are the instruments? relating to the memory. can you look at it some other way? what reminds you of christmas? songs yes but mostly the food and the gifts. not necessarily make a new songbook to talk baout the memory CF: instrument is not an end result, it's just an excercise, a way of researching besides just reading BM: asian culture reference: stories with characters, context, moral in the end of the story, they want to show that. to educate their children, music is the medium, the music is fun and brings energy, but maye it would be interesting to nit only look at the music, but what kind of a story is defined through this music? maybe it's violent? interesting to see the deeper layer of that! DVD: you really have to make it a part of your project, what your research is about. keep in mind the research, which has to be evident, how do you document your own process of arriving there? make it clear so people would not misunderstand you AK: in greece they are good in keeping old traditions. young people are making new proposals on doing the old stuff new way. they find it boring but they change it to make it more fun for themselves, they enjoy doing it because they add their own twist to it. they still have taht inside of the, they just appropriate them! look at the young, maybe togetehr with them you could make a new proposal for msuci NN: sara was saying that the hungarian folkmusic from the 90s, inspired by the old folk. it was kind of dying out so it came with a odern twist. interesting way to see culture. if it doesn't evolve, it will die. christmas also changes every year. no tradition stays the same. HCS: not just how they make music but why and what they make with it? link with the estonian dj who interpretates folk songs. thinking of storytelling through music -> what perspective does this give you? ---------- ---------- 2018/10/12 #M13 RECAP ---------- REFLECTION ON VOLUNTARY SCHEDULE NN: I really like this week, more relaxed. I do see lack of initiative, too common to take it as a n individual week, besides setting up classes for each other. Would’ve been nice to organise a discussion on Wednesday, for 3 hours for example. The idea is good but I would love some initiative from everyone. PA: I was not here last week and I did not know what was the goal of this individual week. NN: It was a goal for me, maybe not a common goal PA: for me it was a very individual week, everyone was doing their own things. No collective unpredictable actions. NJ: let’s try to listen to each other. CF: It was a valuable week. It turned out to be individual, but it helped me to make a base layer for collaborations etc to happen. I am not so critical, I think it was important to have this time. EL: I agree with both Niels and Charlie, they said it very well. NN: I propose we do the same for next week, but everyone tries to show some more initiative and start some things for the collective. BM: I agree, but I think it was a nice week to focus on your own interest. People who wanted to collaborate did anyways. We brainstormed previously on common activities, I feel like this paper/ideas have been lost because we only tried the #experimental filter of talking back to back, but that’s not enough. This should be the core of the thinking team AK: the way we communicate is very important. Do you have an idea how you communicate? Do you just talk to people or do you post it somewhere? Very important. Something that we need to adjust a bit. NJ: I agree with alex, I propose that we have timeslots with “something” -> you can put it in there and it can be disucessed, besides just interrupting everyones work. LR: Agree with Noa, planning is also important, If it’sa week of personal time, i woudl already plan my schedule with my own work, then it’s hard to switch it around NN: it was a week of voluntary work. Having the slot for ‘something’ was also there before. I think there’s a difference in meeting to do practical stuff vs meeting to discuss the state of the world/watch a movie. I wish this one week of freedom would’ve ignite some activities.Att the moment we have the two poles : either completely individual or completely collective KM: like alex’s idea, i like the concept thatw e can put somehing to the scehdule taht would be valuable for us .. lost ir Thng scould happen in the middle of the night, a lot of this stuff can happen. I found myself this week very much gettinginto the dae comfort zone of being expremely individual, i felt hostile, was not able to share my work. Also felt a lot of competition and hostility form the group. AK: I want to point up, i didn’t mean to come up with a planning, it should be voluntary, but it doesn't work when we just talk about it. Where do we do it and how? We should think about this. If you have a proposal, communicate it, so people would know. NJ: proposal: what if we make every Monday, a list of self-initiated workshops, if you want to discuss something/join, it should happen on the paper, people could sign up and we could talk about this. People would know if you try to figure out the world DVD: I agree with most of the things. Putting up activities: I did propose something, but I cancelled it- we all have our own interests, if we are free in putting anything in that we want to. We should have a bulletin board to post a list of possible activities, if youäre interested, you can join. NN: noa’s proposal is much like the one we had this week. I don’t think thats teh means of scheduling that is the problem. I think we are not good enough to make these initiatives. As long as the initiative is not taken in the first place, nothing happens EL: you made it clear in your last sentence, but it was only the first week. I would also add: to have a body for a week, I noticed if i didn’t have anything on the schedule, I just do some research and i don’t talk about it. i t’d be nice to have a ‘buddy’ a checkpoint as a reflection on whether it would or would not work PA: I felt a bit lonely these days. I’m doing this map for all of us, every time i was asking a question, the answers were that ‘i’m busy’ -> i would like that we look up on each other so it would not be an egocentric worlds AK: im in there form both perspectives. It’s the mindset we need to change -> we need to come out of this dae attitude.. I don’t think it should be mandatory for eveyrone EL: I also don’t think that everyone should be obliged to do it (buddy system), I just think it should be possible to go to this person, without interrupting their workflow. HS: It was a nice week with a lot of time, but I did not feel as if we are a collective anymore, more like a DAE design studio, being very individual, some are just workig in the same space, and perhaps developing it a bit .The humbleness was missing. I think at least having a kickoff would be nice, but we dont necessarily have to have so many collective days. It felt like we are back at the academy, just in a idfferent location, and it was something we came here to question in the first place. Also no talk with kay, a bit lost at the ned of the week due to it. It would be nice to have a bit more common time. BM: the focus is on receiving and giving. We have different perspectives on this week. I wonder what could be the solution, to have the same perception on what happened, how can we make it better for everyone? Instead of having working group activities, we could just have group activities, maybe working mood will come after. DVD: If I would judge our lifestyles this week, as soon as it’s voluntary time, the first thing that falls off is colelctive learning goals individual goals. Maybe one goal could be that for one day, all activities would be group activities. I would like to ask a question for someone who did not organise group activities, why was there no motivation to do so? KM: LR: I felt like I had a very selfish week, because of a couple of reasons. I didn’t realise there was this opportunity to put anything for the group. I was focused on my own project. I just like to work alone, also on a collective project. KM: I did put one collective event in the scedule, I waned to put more, but I didn’t because.. It was teh first week, so we had to define our own project, and and later the initiative could come. I woudl not put in anything for the sake of being a collective. EL: I feel pressured to put something into the group, I would like to see some other things to be inspired to get input. I enjoyed organising the italian class, which is very practical and less inspirational. I will watch the proposals that are being made, that would inspire me. NN: I would’ve liked to make collective activities, but my mum was here, and then we had these skype meetinsg, one of tehm being cancelled, so there was a lot of distortion Ben; I feel there is a pity for those who did not have collective times, perhaps its fine for others, but then I wonder if this observation came at the end of the week, or did it happen during the week, and why you didnt make it happen. Not to judge, just trying to understand. Do you expect the collective to help on this activitiy proposals, or is it more of a question that you ask for yourself? HCS: I think the individual time was nice, and would be even nicer if there was a specific project to work on. There is a few of us who dont yet have one psecific thing, so I feel like i am just working to work on something, and I did learn to code and did some administrative work, just to do it. There is the practical things, and also some inspiring things. BM: Did you realise thing at the end of the week, or during the week? HCS: After the Skype meetings. PA: I feel this week has been selfish, for someone also necessary perhaps, How much time does the project need to go into the flow. BM: slef-centered not selfish. Implies how you ornagise your time. The question is now to not do the things together for teh sake of doiing them together, but for wanting to do it. Dom: universities - here it would be nice to know that if i have an empty day, it would be nice to see / plug it in to join someone. Maybe it’s the matter of keeping in mind for someone to join. Worst case: you watch it alone. CF: indirect proposal: the need for these weeks, what is missing is the initiative to propose from your own field of interest, but maybe more from a social interest that we can’t force. Maybe these small gestures like going for a coffee. This is also what we need, being in conversation, hanging out. Maybe it’s about the urgency, maybe we lack the initiative or the content, but aslo about sharin time together and asking how you are doing. EL: could that work with the buddy system or just randomly? CF: I do like the system you proposed, I never had it but I’ve heard it is good. It should not be mandatory, but I would love to try. Maybe a list again, to have an overview. NN: with the buddy system, this could be something you do for the collective. KM: Picking up a bit on what charlie said. I said i was guilty of being hostile. I would from now on, share as much as possible of my own project with the collective, I would not want to keep anything for myself ( iw ant to share everything), not sure if it will be valuable for everyone, we don’t do it enough to give our proccess to others etc DVD: question, are you transparent with your project and if you document it well, then peoplea re free to join in. AK: question: what do you mean if people document and others can follow? DVD: if you put out what you researched and learned, then they can already ask about it KM: don’t mean to only view and comment in google, but i’d like everyone to edit my process and view it and own it. You’r porject is yours and you have full ownership - i would like to change this, and everything would be for the collective. DVD: i think its a very noble thing that you did, do you really want to share everything? Then it s also having a filter, what is it that could be interesting for everyone? EL: for me personally it woudl work if it were visually here on the wall. It’s hdr to go behind the screen. If it is in the space and you see it, maybe everyone has their own space etc.. more dynamic KM: you used the work selfish, dominik. DVD: I’ll get back to you. DOMINIK’S TIME FINISHED PA: dominik sawit as a platform, selfish would be to give 10 documents per day by invading the space. AK: Emma: use the wall, i agree, but maybe tehreäs osme poeple who donät work like that. Maybe it can also be just on the screen EL: i’m having a hard time giving feedback, it’s even moe difficult to see it on the screen. PA: we engaged a big big discussion, this is exacty what diogo wanted to adress. This discussion should have a big timeslot for next week. How do you document your individual project for others and for the collective? NN: is it a discussion? NIELS TIME FINISHED PA: either tumblr or hanging on the wall.. CF: proposal: to quickly sum up the proposals that have been made. NN: kick of on monday 9-12. Set initiatives for the week, but no discussions. Friday - wrap up KM: I would like to propose very simlarly to niels ,Monday kickoff Friday recap. Monday kickoff- 2 hours of prepared proposals. NJ: List of random activity for which you can sign up, when you write it down it becomes real, and people know you have somethign toffer, and people can participate if they want. LR: Might be extreme, but to get used to it… When someone asks for help, you have to give at least 2 or 3 minutes of your time. HCS: Making use of the wall space, set up a schedule of how we could use it. PA: Responding to lucas, wonderful idea, I would add a nuance… To offer to help for 2-3 minutes, but within an hour of being asked. BM: Feel free to also reject to help, but be clear why you do not wish to do so in that moment. CF: Who agrees that next week we start with a kickoff on Monday, we finish the week on Friday, we leave the other days free, in that time, we have collected by monday the proposals, and we start making them come true. HCS: I think we shouldn’t just gather all the input on monday, there should be space for it to come up randomly. PA: leave some space for the schedule within next week, CF: … NN: Quick question for pierre, we talked that we need only a kick of and a wrap up but you now said we need more time, and a schedule. CF: we don’t vote now but DVD: we sojould make a routing e Thinking in therms of we, not only what do I want to do, thinking on a bigger scale, not just on an individual. CF: colelctively think about what would be great to do. I would keep it for there now : only kick off and wrap up. In the end of the day we discuss how we decide on the schedule. 2. Ben & Pierre start at 11:50 Collective Assignments on 3 days of the week. The reason, to go out your own thoughts and perception. Possibly dicover something else you want to work on. Collaborate on collective projects, to create a collective identity. PA: we would be the collective not just another minor with personal projects. 3day assignment to combat failure, short without fear of failing. Individual research (*Ben and Pierre present their proposal*) CF: 2 different rhythms, personal fascination combined with collective 3 days assignments. KM: Inject into the collective your own fascination inspiration and NN: 5 months ago, the images of centralised, distributed, decentralised. Reminds him of this Ch: Individual questions, thinking about ourself and the outsider PI: To go together at the same time, so no one is left behind. Forgot to have fun, “wouldn't it be fun to ….” (*Ben and Pierre present their schedule*) You can choose yo work alone or together. Thursday: receiving an assignment Monday: is a day of giving Different scenarios work on the same rhythm so we all go at the same rhythm and no one will be left behind NN: How long would the thursday meeting be ? Teaming up takes 30-60 min, giving a new topic will take a but longer. Ka: could you clarifly ? NN: thursday till monday: a assignment, thursday + 2,5 week to monday you go in depth (alone or not), Following thursday you get a new assignment Could work with the schedule we have already because its very open. NJ: Who gives the assignments? Pie: Brainstorming for an assignment, every topic had to be a result of an urgency. Kar: group or smaller groups ? BM: first try to work by yourself (personal fascinations) and after team up, three day assignment will be individual. Cha: could diogo propose an assignment Pie: Yes please! KM: a structured schedule or a fluid one, horizontal versus vertical. How and when do we start? Today ? Kick of the new assignment next thursday but now we finish the what are we about assignment. Niels, New assignment starts today because people are going away soon. Lets put it in the schedule do see if it collides with somethings. Map out everyone's assignments and fascinations to see who would be the best to collaborate with. ASSIGNMENT: Create a tangible work that interacts with Matera. 3. Noa start at 13:00 ---------- ---------- 2018/10/15 #M14 Kickoff ---------- *discussing initiatives for the week* NJ: Film, Lord of the Flies NJ: Horseback riding Niels & CF: Free discussion on cultural appropriation DVD: Recording a short acted film in Sassi PA: Football with ODS HCS: Discovering the caves in Sasso Caveoso HCS: Book club BM: La Grande Bellezza CF: Tonio’s tour of the Quarry CF: Ralph, the tuffo artist This thursday NJ: Scheduling the list, and signing up, and making Working group documentation: Dominik, Karl, Hannah, Noa, Lucas Procesing our material for Instagram: Karl Marilijn: w 3 hours in the morning, 2 hours in the afternoon Finding places in matera to map Something more in nature Something we feel like exploring CF: Churches NN: Zona Paip NJ: Old monastery in the nature CF: It is important that this week we show more initiative, mood of the week Proposals continue on Facebook poll ---------- ---------- 2018/10/19 #M15 Recap ---------- 1 REFLECTION Recaping the week, reading the minutes of Monday Monday: kick-off, presenting assignment2, initiatives, evaluation criteria Tuesday: discussion on cultural appropriation, visiting Ralf, collective dinner with the french girl Wednesday: reflection of the assignments, collective coffee, 4 people left to DDW Thursday: individual day Friday: happening now KM: I still had a big workload NJ: in a good flow in the beginning of the week. Now feels like we can be more loose since we are only 4 HS: such a weird week, DVD: good climate, a lot of small things, becoming more aware of discussions and ways of talking. Stepping into the role of a moderator during the discussion, projecting own opinion on the discussion -> one moderator is necessary. ––––– DVD: let’s finish one topic before starting the next KM: Up until yesterday I had very low energy, stayed in Via Roma a lot. Avoided the energy of the group, which was very competitive and hostile. HCS: It’s hard to constantly share what you are doing if you are in a flow, but we can always be taken out of there, to talk and be more present. DVD: maybe you can deconstruct the feeling, is it the guilt or low energy or.. KM: Rephrasing, I didn’t feel like I could be in this space with other people because I did not have the same energy as others KM: I was not allowed to have my project or work on it. I couldn’t come here and just sit around NJ: was it in you or was the space KM: both DVD: usually it’s a mix of feelings : guilt, evny, .. If the space KM: Let’s stop this conversation. I am choosing not to hear it. NJ: I didn’t really do a lot either the past days, it’s very much a part of the process. DVD: I had little moments of productivity, but not in the big picture. It was about getting motivated by someone being active. NJ: can we do anything next week so the feelings would be different. KM: if you look back 3 weeks ago, the changes are really nice and it finally feels in balance regarding the time schedule. NJ: and the initiatives! INITIATIVES KM: It looks like a school bulletin board HCS: let’s print an empty one, and cross out the ones that happen DVD: Good to have more than less, and we can refelct on them in a month if some did not happen DVD: evaluation criteria working group: put everything into clouds, sent to the school *presents the evaluation criteria* KM: this cloud format really invites someone to circle words. I propose they are separated by dashes/… to separate them. DVD: maybe we should brainstorm together, it also doesn’t invite me to invent new keywords.. Niels and Ben joined for a moment (jumping back to reflection) NL: a lot of bad energy around the collective this week. I ran into a lot of stupid discussions, maybe I brought some negative energy into the discussions.. Our discussions often get into airing your opinion without having a proposal, drifting away from having a goal. Then I get annoyed. It’s both my own reaction, but also the cause of how we interact with each others BM: you agree; the bad energy comes form some not paying attention, pushing down the dynamics of the group, stopping after 15 minutes and Questioning the position of some people in the collective. Why are you still here? What is the goal. People should try to hang on and not give up so easily DVD: it becomes interesting – everything we do is ‘voluntary’, there’s always going to be micro tension with small differences. Maybe there’s a level we need to reach? A minimum contribution for everyone? BM: it is to accept everyones contribution – just respect the energy if something is relevant, don’t slow things down or speed them up just because of your own feelings KM: me and Charlie briefly touched on this, we should not try to find group harmony, but we should become aware of it and consider it, but trying to find it is almost impossible. DVD: it’s impossible mainly because we are so different. On a personal character level it’s ok, we will never have the same value system NJ, NL: that was exactly what Karl said.. KM: i could not relate to the group this week, so it’s good to bring it on the table HCS: is there anything we could change, Niels? NL: when we have practical discussions (WED), it would be wise to have a moderator, to guide the discussion towards the goal, an active moderator. We should start practicing that, to understand the goals of a discussion, the training of the moderator can help all of us to be more goal oriented within a discussion. Apart from that, I think the group assignments should really be voluntary, but we should not be forced to collaborate.. KM: it could just have been bad luck/ weird energy. Up unil .. *mauro came in* *ben & niels left* HCS: Working group for next week: what is going to happen when Kay comes? Schedule Then we talked about ---------- ---------- 2018/10/25 #M16 RECAP (After DDW) ---------- ---------- 2018/10/29 #M17 Discussion with Kay ---------- DVD: We would find value in inviting a social designer to come to Matera. Our collaborators are now only in the art scene, andwe haven’t had a designer come to us. PA: I thought it would not be possible to find a social desgienr in Basilicata, but apparently if we ask Diogo/ODS then it might be valuable. CF: Ralf can do a tufo scultping workshop, and I found another man who makes these small tiles in ceramic, hes famous here, he has a studio, he would need a smaller gorup. DVD: It’s about trust, if only a few people are interest, do we give them the allowance to do that wiht our budget, what format can we agree on if we want to invite someone for a smaller group? KAY: Maybe we can make a shortlist of collaborators we find interesting, and then we can go from there. PA: I’d much prefer that this list only involves people in the surrounding region. its saving us money. BM: we had a small working group about guests and friends and we made a longlist of potential collaborators, maybe we can look back at this list. CF: I propose to look back at this doc all together for an hour and review who is most interesting, and give someone the repsonsibility to contact. KAY: Maybe its an idea to have 11 proposals of a guest, and everyone can vote for these guests, and if there are enough people interested, we can invite. PA: The format of all of usin the same room works better than doing this search alone. BM: The work we did in this small group showed that some peole don't know who is interesting for them to invite. About the social designer, it would be itneresting to invite someon from outside, and we can see how they are influenced by Matera. HCS: Maybe its important not to go too extreme with this, becaus emarjolijne, kay diog, andcurding are coming in the coming weeks. AK: Im happy so many people ar eocming, and then we get to open up our projects to them. KAY: MAybe this is thinking too far ahead, but its true what hannah said, then its good that we are more sharp abut what we want from our existing teacher s(whose flgihts are booked). Also before you start to invite more guests, its good to look at the existing hours, looking at my hours now, it might seem that we don't have so many hours left for skype even. HCS: I propose that we do this in a small working gorup later.. DVD: We can always use the existing hours of the people we invited. LDR: I propose we wrap this up. KM NL: I don't agree with this proposal. I for one am not sure if I want more feedback i nthe coming month, since its already so packed with invited teachers. I don't see such a need for social deisgners. PA: Its not about feedback, actually. Maybe its sometehing that we don't have the same point of view on these guest people. I see them more as them giving a workshop or lecturer or a point of view on their field. We can make use of our atuonomy. KAY: If youj don't need more feedback, do you need more skyoe calls with me. Thisis good to disucss and gert back to me later on in the process. LDR: I would invite everyoneto think about collaborators and pick a dateand time to have this meeting. VOTE: Tuesday October 30 at 11am at basocampo !!!!!!!! TOPIC OF INDIVIDUAL VS COLLECTIVE BM: The points we are going to address are : What is your role in the collectvie? What are your needs? What are our desired outcomes? Do we feel the need for a collective outcome? What scale do we want to collaborate as a group? We had this system we pitched the other day that took into consideration the needs, desires of all of us. OFFFENCE as a working group and not as a group of friends. What is your role in the collective, and how do you feel about it? LDR: I set some ambitious individual goals, which could be quite selfish. But after seeing your system assignment pithc and collaborating with charlie, i see much more value at a larger scale collective project. I see myself as a potential future collaborator within the collective. CF: I see myself as an initiator mainly, and I often want to do things, and I propose a lot. I set my aims very high for my personal research, and that made me struggle, and i felt distant from the collective. I enjoyed that i am not collaborating with lucas. I see that the individuals within the collective can bring more value to the group. I don't see it so forced. It is maybe an exercise now to look up from your idnividual process and ask for help. I like the short assignments that bring the group together, but i would vouch for keeping focus on our indiivudal processes sicne that is what we are evaluated on in the end. EL: I find it hard to define my role in the group as one thing because i am now quite in the background, I am present since I’m always listening and not really speaking up. I see my role as much more practical, like the italian class, since its something that i like to organize. Its low key. PA: Since we created the system of assignments for the collective, and it came naturally, and its something that I observed my behaviour withint the colelctive and the behaviour of the collelctive towards me. I see myself as a motivator, and a bit of hild that doesnt consider practical matters and only sees positive proposals. Im here to eplore my own spontaniouty. Im really itnerested in the group dynamic. We need to make the switch from being an independent minro to being a collective. CF: Could you put it intwo entces what yo uthink the colective is for yu; PA: I think the collective shares the same midnset and therefore have spontaneouty in its way of functioning, for instance with ben a psoter in the street and he wanted to put it lower, and I wanted to put it higher................. BM: 2 sentences: PA: Spontaneouty int he waty of creating, creating together in the objective of finding harmony and a common identity. KAY: Our expectaitons of the collective are a differnt topic KM: skip DVD: I think we will stay a minor than an independent collective. Every small decision having to go through 11 filters slowed down our agency. Is see myself as a moderator. In that sense, I see potential happening insmaller working groups. The only big outcome is creating an education package. The big goal that I have is documenting what we did this semester and curating what we did for ourselves. We’re too diferent to create a project together, and we need to aknowledge that. NL: I agree with dominik and I gave up on the thought of the collective a few weeks ago, I don't see it happening antymore. I see us as a minor and I don't see a greater creative goal. It comes form a lack of trust. We don't have the same goals or values concering this minor or collective. I see now that this initative list is opt in, so people are notforced to do that. Im completely fine with that. We are too different. HCS: Before this meeting I was listing out my role, and it became mroe clear to me what we were doing when I ahd to communicateit to other people. My role is to have an overview of what is happening. I wanted to avoid administrative tasks, but I did end up taking that. I would liketo focus on content now, and would like to see it as an organism. AK: In the beginning i really thought that wed be a whole collective. We indeed have different values and we develop so much on our own. For me it was too much to be influenced by everyone and couldn’t get my thoughts straight anymore. I want more space. I think that we can be more of an educational system for future generations rather than a collective. BM: Can you say how you feel about how its going now. AK: I accepted the fact that individuality became more present, and group initiativesare coming bottom up, and are opt in, not top donw, not forced. Its going well now when we have smaller groups that work. BM: This system was not made to force collaborations, and we are going to keep working on this for now. NL: Its a bit of a bigger question than assignments. We havent heard your role. PA (for KM): I think Kalrlikes the colectivedynamc in the sense that he is here to learn how to teahand to learn from others, and I think that the system thwat we put in place really suited him. There we re some practicalitties that got in the wy. He is abit in line with dominik and niels. I think he is on the way of knowing himself bettter, and making faster decisions, and he likes these feelings to be supproted by a group. BM: I don't really know how to express myself now about the collective. I need time to process what has been said. I need to get my feelings out of the way so i can make rational statements. Im going to jump on my moderator chair. KAY: Was there ever this expectation of a creative project together? Is this collective mroe about creating an education? Does it make sense to crea the framework for the first month that you can work within that space? Finally, we need to makeit clear that its ok to be individual. BM: Im really glad that everyone is more aware of what they need, and I would stress that maybe its not idea to not force what you need to ....... (no one understands so we move on) BM: What are our desired outcomes? CF: We all have this assignment by diogo, and we have that oppertunityto do things together. I feel there issome histroy in the theme. I would also like to all of us do a full trip somewhere. EL: Why don't we all work one day all toether on one assignmnet. I think it could be ncie to do this together. And then its done. NL: I think its an alright idea, and I think we have been working togehter on a lot stuff, especially the education. I propose to put it in the initiative list. EL: Thank you for your sharp eye. I can’t rememebr having a creative process. NL: I think its a very normal idea. What would this assignment be? HCS: I think we have been working together a lot already. In the overall picture, our collectiv eproject is the education, its documentation, archive, system, schedule, values, etc... KM: Rewrite the manifesto. PA: I want to question this, and we are going moretowards an idependent minor, and not acollective. A manifesto is really related to creating or making something. KAY: Would you be able to write the amnifesto about the education we create. Why is that not a manifesto? NL: Why the need to separate the independent minor from the collective? I think we are doing an independent minor with a huge emphasis on collaboeation. In that snese that a manifesto is ok. DVD: This conversation is no longer constructive. CF: Is it ok for me to focus on my individual process? ANd take a little distance from the collective? AK: OK EL: OK CF: Is there freedom to stay away from the collective? BM: Voting PA: i tihnk that its importnat not to take a general decision on something where the specific practic results could have different outcomes. BM: We are going voertime, if you have something to say there are only a few people . HCS: We should seenoa as an example that noa was away for a few weeks. Why isn't that ok? Why is it not something that we deal with on a personal level. KAY: It feels very personal what charlie brought up about her work. But it does apply to the collective. AK: We are used to judging peole on their presence. And we gave oruselves that space to notjduge each other. BM: Next topic. LDR: 10min break KM: it’s the question now what we are going to document, we are more focussed on our process as a education. So how will we do this PA: we can make a book, but it’s very sterile. Important to communicate; the way we comminicate, our hand signs. NN: The idea of 1,5 month ago. - the idea of groups of documentation. 1 week of podcast, the next week makes a film, the next group makes 3 short stories. Creative process of documentation. A filter that makes it more interesting. - LR: What would it be in the end ? NN: It would be a weekly thing that we exhibit, from week to week. LR: You’re thinking of the 31st in mind ( presentation for school ) NN: I think that’s quite important KM: I agree with this proposal, but it maybe lines up with something bigger. ( a book, website ) But does this 1 week assignment really filters out what we do or will it become vague ? KS: Would you see these 2 things combined in 1 outcome. ( website ) KM: They would all be there at the same time, they work in the same format. Having only 1 could happen that some things will be filtered out that we only see later on. BM: The beauty of books has chapters that you can pick out - if someone is interested in 1 chapter you can easily go through it. An edition of many books that go together. LR: So this book will have different chapters. HS: Another proposal : I agree with everything. Im already quite thinking of the 31st ( school ) Idealistic that we dont only do it for the school, but another exhibition. Maybe we have an offfence expo that we do somewhere else. I really like what karl is doing - the archive website - valuable for the collective. Important to scan in everything that’s here. LR: For you it’s also important to ask the question for how are we making this HS: curating is also imporant here. CF: We have quite some material already - people making images. Starting to make audio material / make it more interesting. Most of what we do is about dialogue. I don’t want to only talk about mediums - audio visual can tell the most in a short time. NN: Wondering if we are going with this idea of creating something every week. - creating a schedule for this. If we go for this idea. DOM: A book would be appropriate - good for us to reflect, our experience of the system. A set of tools for the next generation. Is there also maybe a web compante - web + book. NN: where do we exhibit this all ? - important question to answer. Who is intersted in working each part of that. Two types of documentation. KS: define all the 3 formats - can help a lot with making the documentation. Collect the material for this, than you can define everything. It helps a lot with making them KM: A note - a website can have all 3 things in it that we just have mentioned. PA: I have a thought - we should separate clearly the experience that we have here from the educational program. How do we see the education ? and make a proposal about this. We make a video and a book, DOM: next coming weeks we should make working groups who meet constant. Different working groups for different formats - ideally it would be a mechanism. The sooner we start the better , make deadlines. HS: it’s good to define roles, listening to this it would something extra to our plate. Januari we have time to reflect and finalise - the focus in januari would be more on the collective. Then we would make a book. Starting to make this book now is to fast. CF: Not now about the end result its about the working groups creating material, reacting on what is happening. - it’s about freedom. With the proposal of kay there’s already curation in it - 3 minutes each week. In the end 30 min. KS: it’s not that you decide how the book will look like, but it will help to collect. This film could also be in chapters. PA: ( he said the same as charlie did ) DOM: as soon we trust people if they make decisions how thing will looks, if we keep building this mountain of material we are going to drain in it. NN: The weekly videos is intersting because every week a new group/person will be part of this. I dont think it’s interesting if only 2 people take over for the last remaining monts- it’s intersting because everyone takes over and that also shows the different people in the group. Proposal : making a schedule for the upcoming weeks for documentation. PA: is it only for movie ? NN: no it can be any kind of documentation. - it can be anything - it can be expo HS: how would you name it ? NN: documentation estatfeto. PA: i disagree - it would be more intersesting if there will be more a subjective perspective. 1 group focussing on f.e living situation . 1 group focussing on something else again. And these groups would focus longer on these topics. LR: people for a longer time work on 1 topic, but he groups switch PA: based on an assigment ? the theme changes every week. KM: i think a lot of the proposal DOM : I propose an audio visual - a film. Very specific , a curiting theme - thinking of the chapters of the book. The video team is showing what we are and what we did. If we switch every week it will not have any focuss. LR: 3 different groups. NN: Why do you think it’s imporant to have this strict way of looking at documention so strict - not spontanious - the other way that I proposed is more spontanious. Dom; If we want to reach this big goal it;s imporant to make reachable goals. So it’s ok that we do different things but different groups should do differnt topics. So 1 groups does audio visual, the other group does writing - the other group curating. LR : curating and collecting, visual crating. CF: it’s about trust - it wouldnt work if we force a whole structer on the collective. KS: Having this estafet is is already having a frame. You only have to decide how you would show this. Its clear that 1 group weekly document but the medium is not defined. Then the date on the website is the frame - you work towards that. KS: a chapter on the website can already work and that’s your frame. NN: we make a working group that makes the scheduale + different posibilities of documentating. KM: i want this working group to read through the notes. PA; does this not go against this piling up ? By doing this every week we have every week new material and the curation is lost. NN : the idea here is to have finished presentable work. - video, photo, book, etc etc. In that way it’s already curated and finished. DM : the one week time loop - we need to think of the bigger picture. I dont see the difference between what we had before and what we are doing now. AK: The website stantds in line with this documentation - so every week will go on the website and the documentationo pile doesnt get lost. working groups: 1 SCHEDULE FOR WORKING: how will people rotate for the weekly documentation? lists different possibilities for collecting the material. participants: niels, charlie, karl, dominik 2 BOOK: how to build up out book. what chapters? what material? system behind offfence participants: dominik 3 AUDIO-VISUAL: ultimate goal: producing a film of what we are about participants: hannah, charlie 4 WEBSITE: what chapters? participants: karl, dominik 5 CURATION / PACKAGE OF EDUCATION: what will we pass on? participants: hannah 2 fields of movement : how do we collect information? visual displaying how do we curate information? conceptual goal: a chapter on the website (have trust)  Evaluation criteria: CF: What do we want to learn from this? D: we established the point taht it does make sense to make the collective evaluation format formal, sessions of being evaluated by the collective. They should bw treated equally. Now there’s an urgency to create a form; the main questions comes after: kay reads my sheets, we talk about it, she has her input to give me. Does the process finish when we finish our conversation about it? Or will there be an actual evaluation sheet? PA: you self evaluate yourself, you submit it to kay, you have a discussion and then Kay writes the form DVD: the form is something we create fo r teteachers KS: the form would create subvalues. For the collective you get a specific amount. The academy doe snot need these sub values. At the moment for every critera you give a certain amount. Do you want this? Do you want a value connected to your points? DVD: we strongly agreed against this, we don’t want it to be quantitative. My image of myself should be the sma taht others have abou tme. The question is also: is it enough that i tis just writing? Ieadlly, if you reflect sufficiently, you pass. No person passes more than others, or fails more than others. There hsould be no wiighting of the projects. CF: do you feel able to give these ECT’s to give to us after reading our essays and having the conversations? Is it enough for you? It then becomes your responsibility relating to the written text? KS: i will relate it to the work I saw. Bart was strongly against the “are you a potential designer?” so I am used to grading the whole process. I would rather do it that way PA: is it enough to receive our sheets and talk about it? Or should you also write it, we read it and then we discuss - then we have your thoughts also written, that we could then swallow. KS: that would be a question I ask from you - do you want a written response on your essays, or can it come out during the disucssion? KM: we hvae your evaluation of us, our evaluation of us and then we discuss, after a few different opinions have gone through. But this does have a lot of effort in there. CF: 2 scenarios: if there’s time for dialogue, there’s time to speak – less misunderstandings than by reading a text as a first judgement prior to the discussion - entering a dialogue with negative feelings. In this case it would be better to not have a written answer – then there’s more space to ask questions, whilst in the dialogue KS: the response is rather full of frustration – that’s why we never did a feedback round. It’s not about that. Practical question: this is for the midterm? For midterm there are no points to be given. DVD: for midterm we want to try it out – practice self evaluation, how it works and what small adjustments we would need. No limitations until midterm. Then we see what average response we will get (amount of pages for example). It can become a big amount of material, but it should stay within certain limits KS: the question of form is still open. Practical aspect of time: for both mid-and end term you want me to read and have a discussion for an hour. How do you see this happening? Over skype? DVD: it’s something for us to think about in terms of hours. Maybe during mid terms we try it out on our own. Then in end term we have you doing it. PA: is it ok for you to take that much time for all of us? There are projects to be evaluated, but there’s much more that we did here, the experience makes us understand who we are as human beings, how do we function as a group, how do we communicate? Etc KS: it is good to have certain restricions. For example maximum amount of words - good for you and me - the maximum amount of time i will spend has to be deicded before, is decided by this. DVD: the limitation is important. Maybe we deicde after we have tried it out over mid term. It’s about writing, reading and responsing. How would the dialogue happen? What if there’s only written feedback? Would the dialogue change something? Of course the conversation would be a big part of this evaluation. For us, because we don’t get paid for our hours. For us it would be 10 evaluators per person over mid-term and your input on end term BM: what is the idea of the dialogue? It wil not change her mind about our process. KS: are you questioning the whole dialogue? DVD: if this dialogue will change your mind about it. The miain value of kay is being the outside figure. She sees it more objectively than us. Shuold we discuss all of this openly. ou r intention was to get an outside ersepctive, kay has a big overview on this. Between us its much more subjectiv as we know each other, and more emotonal because we live togethre. PA: first her impression on us, the discussion is to raise questions. CF: we didn’t decide whether Kay writes a text or not. If she did, we’d come with a defense mode – during the dialogue, we would come to some things she did not agree with, and we’d have time to ask questions. So we have two options KS: maybe thats something to discuss DVD: we have to try it out to see KS: should we have a round about this? Would you prefer only a verban conversation or would you prefer to have written feedback? LR: having a prewritten feedback makes you enter the conversation with a fixed mind, but for me i am more reflective with analysing writing, in a conversation i have the feeling i would not get everything, or i could record CF: usually oyu need someone to take notes because you are emotionally involved, but recording is fine EL: agreed, written feedback creates tension PA: you choose better the words you write than the ones you tell, so i would prefer written feedback to then in a smaller timeslot discuss about it, and get feet forward besides more feedback KM: i agree a bit with pierre, i would enter this dialogue to get input and words from you as i got from mu peers, but i see value in reading through and then asking questions of what’s next? I’ve almost never had a discussion before, but a few months after it was a reflection together within a dialogue NL: i would be up for having both, but i’m fine with having just a conversation. I am curious for people having to defend themselves, i think it’s a different situation than feedback in first year, which was top down, and we are already in a more horisontal situation, so i have no feeling i would be treated unfairly, it’s taking too many defence mechanisms AK: both ways are fine, i would see it that after there’s a dialogue, maybe afterwards you get a written paper. Also how they do it in school, that you get it afterwards. BM: yes, but if i have to choose, i would choose to hear from the dialogue. Not only text, the dialogue is really important. DVD: not important to hear about every small chapter, but important to know that you read it, and have you opinion on the same paper, but it could just be a 5 min conversation about what would happen next. Just a general through KS: can i respond? I don’t agree that a written text is more precise. It becomes more superficial for me, a copy-paste mechanism. I woudl be way better in expressing myself in a dialogue. Way more expression in a dialogue. Then if you would not listen to the recording, i will write it down for mysef, more like notes. So it’s a different kind of a feedback session. It will be more clear (?) not for sharing? The verbal conversation everyone would like anyways, i see a lot of potential in this also regarding the horisontal learning. It would be against horisontal, if it’s written, it’s about what’s being said, you don’t need proof. I would not mind combining, but dialogye comes first. Maybe it’s me giving verbal feedback, so another word. And a small written text, a summary of the discussion (a few sentences). And for this yous hould create an oytline for, what points would you want to have expressed in my text? PA: i totally agree with you regarding the written text, did not see it drom this perspective. Then i propose to not to have this written text at all, an audio recodring will be enough CF: another point that liesbeth made: KS: maybe we should check with school, if a non-written evaluation is fine with the school? Do they need something written? Do they have outline for what is being written? Has to be checked DVD: we do need to design the final sheets for the points, likea cover sheet with the 4 points.. KS: like pass or fail. Focus point is not a part of this. DVD: in our interest that we all pass. The grades are not important, the feedback is. Just checking boxes KS: i will not give grades PA: i see the grades more as points that you show/have to work on. KS: thats a part of the outline you have to create yourself. DVD: everyone is welcome to join the evaluation criteria team. It’s me and charlie, sometimes pierre, niels, hannah, karl. We will continue working on this. CF: more something to think about rather than discuss. Liesbeth said: the presentation and communication is missing. We consciously left out ‘outcome’ and ‘presentation’ because of pressure. But we will have to have something like this. How do we feel about that? NL: i really like rene’s input on this, that he’d like to see us dividing the reflection part into inwards and outwards, backwards and forwards- with this you acnowledge that it is/ is not finished, this is an interesting way to think about the process, and not to see it as a finished project. PA: i think we can mention to liesbeth that it’s something we adressed by asking in the group, about the choice of the medium that you take for your final resentation, how do you present your work, you self evaluate - did i do the right choice of presenting my work. I think we adressed this KS: it’s an important point by liesbeth. it ‘s directly baout what i evaluete on - do i only evaluate the sef reflection or also the work i have seen.. KM: i would like you to evaluate me on all the parts of my process – i would keep communication there but outcome is not necessary – nor my project or process is not outcome related. DVD: all keywords are optional, they support you to write aout what you want to. Maybe we should overlook the clouds and edit the words and add only the ones that are relevant. We should have less specific ones over general ones KS: response to KM: you want me to feedback your process - on how you relfect on YOUR process or how i see your process? It’s not about the outcome, but is it aout the layer of you reflecting on your process or the actual process i have seen. Now i only give feedback on your delf reflection. PA: 2 things, for karl, i would disagree, i would like you to evalyate my on my outcome, not on my process. To answer the question of kay, i would like to have your opinion on my procss, because the self reflection i have onmy process, will it be as useful if you only consider my evaluation? KS: 3 things: self feedback (essay), peer feedback, mentor feedback. DVD: you’d look a tthese things with the same criteria, and you have 3 inputs. We should overlook the criteria, as a starting point CF: if you distinguish the 3 feedbacks, for the mentor feedback would you like to receive the same form that we receive when we do our self evaluation? Iwth the word clouds. Is that a value for kay, to see these words, when she looks at our process? KS: your process is the process i followed, but the essay is your self reclection that i give feedback on. You need the essay to reflect on yourself - it’s an important point for me to evaluate you. DVD: a lot to work on, this conversation has reached a circle. Does anyone else have some other important aspects to adress? PA: we did not address the ‘how do they?’ sheet. DVD: there are not so many ‘they’s’ right now, so we havent focused on this as much. PA: i want to finish, because we talked with Selena, and she was super interested in the educational part in what we ade doing. DVD: i would close this discussion and proceed to the wrap up. WRAP UP DVD: if we look back to our agenda.. EL: discussing the italian class and the book. DVD: could happen on Tuesday NL: We also decided to meet for the experts discussion tomorrow (tuesday) DVD: what was it exactly NL: do we need more input? What kind of input and where would we find this person? DVD: a discussion? NL: and then listing people. We didn’t finish it today, that’s why it was scheduled. Both budget and time wise. Do we want Kay and Curdin to do something else besides feedback? DVD: individual vs collective - no working groups, documentatoion: working group about coming up with the schedule & who would collect all the different scenarios that we came up with during the meeting. Thats the working group of niels and charlie CF: i would rather focus on the evaluation criteria DVD: niels karl pierre lucas. Over the next few days. NL: we will bring an outcome for friday for wrap up DVD: evaluation criteria working group meets separately. Alex dominik charlie hannah ---------- ---------- 2018/11/02 #M18 RECAP ---------- 1a. Translation Documentation Team made a schedule which contains 12 dates starting from Friday Nov 9th People can sign into taking over the documenattion translation for 1 week The result will be presented on every Friday of the week they signed up for These presentations should be short: 5min You can choose to collaborate You can sign up for multiple slots, you dont have to What is the difference to the first thought we had on documentation? Expectation on documenting everything + archiving everything held us up Group hopes that having less of a dogma will help us to make interesting filters on documenting our collective process E.g. “I want to document the living situation” You can also take over a topic someone did before Personal interpretatations No title is necessary but define what you are working on — therefore please fill out the “what” section on the sheet in the baso campo Important: The sheet empahsises the DEADLINE of your project BM: Is it possible to have simultaneous projects for the same deadline? Group: Yes, please feel free to do so. Collaboration is an option but projects can also coexist and both be presented HCS: Did you think about a system of archiving? Group: No, we feel that that is a seperate working group. BM: With this system we maybe leave out important parts of our process, don’t you think? NN: I am sure that there will always be something that will be able to be used as documentation. KM: It is not about perceiving documenation as something about the weeks we spend here but more aber a personal filter e.g. “document our toilets” KM: We should all upload our notes/recordings to the drive NJ: Let’s back up our drive CF: Let’s only use the drive for notes and recordings LR: We should have a weekly time to collect our material KM: I can be the person taking care of the hard drive with Lucas HCS: I would join with a system for archiving Dom: We should make sure that everything is on the hard drive to function as an archive CF: Archive and Documentation Work can both exist at the same time 1b) MAAM An open museum in the suburbs of Rome in which 200 people live together Artists, gypsy families living together as a community This museum wamnts to be removed from elite institutional settings and rather be “for the people” It would be nice to go there for the field trip Please find the description in the facebook group (2 months ago) Proposal: 6-9 december It could be an inspirational trip after midterms. Travel costs can partly be covered by school. Flight tickets way-return: 23 euros Train way-return: 50 euros NN: We camn decide travel options individually. Group: We wait for the confirmation of the MAAM to be invited / having a talk with them when they have time for us Group: Our aim for today is to see if we can all agree on the dates Vote: Niels chose to not participate in the vote. Lucas was not fully convinced. Pierre was disagreeing with going on the trip. The rest of the group had no objections. The main concern was to not have enough time to make translations. The proposal should be first confirmed by MAAM. The proposal should be open for everyone to join according to their own schedule. NJ: We can also go after the minor has offcially finished. Marjolijn’s Visit Update: Locationd we agreed on — Zona Paip, Sassi, Quarri Bonus: Caves, Monastery Cave (depending on weather) Marjolijn will bring drawing materials Where can we work? Can we all fit into the baso? Its too much to organise the Monancelle EL: It would be a pity if we have to spend money on the location PA: Can we use Via Roma? NN: We can make use of the space and organise the space CF: Can IAK be a possibility? Who is responsible to organise the space? Noa will send Marjiolijn a photo and description of the Baso to check if we need a backup plan. In case there is need for a backup location she will ask for help of one of us. PA: We should meet on Sunday to clean the Baso. Pierre will make a call on the group chat. 2a) Kay’s hours Are we still interested in having skype sessions with her? How many hours do we need? Is a 20-min slot enough? When could who have feedback? Aim: Make decisions on the questions posed. Make a simple system we can apply from now on. KM: We should check if we can officially assign her more hours? EL: Kay’s feedback on the Skype calls was that it was tiring. Shall we keep this in consideration? DVD: Is it really urgent to assign her more hours? NN: She is in her right to change her mind. She wants to be paid. That’s fair. KM: Our open educational setting allows her to change her mind. KM: Could it be an idea to assign 1h feedback per week maximum? HCS: We can split the group. CF: We should think about our attitude. Do we generally need her feedback? NN: We have underestimated peer feedback. AK: Peer feedback happened, just on an individual base. Skype-Feedback with Kay before midterm? AK: yes HCS: yes NJ: yes (have an outer perspective) NN: no but after the holidays — hours evaluartion part > hours for individual feedback LR: yes BM: yes EL: yes PA: no but after midterms — hours evaluartion part > hours for individual feedback DVD: yes CF: no but after the holidays — hours evaluartion part > hours for individual feedback KM: yes Skype-Feedback with Curdin before midterm? AK: yes, 30min HCS: yes, 30min NJ: yes, 30min — Kay, 30min NN: no but after the holidays — hours evaluartion part > hours for individual feedback LR: yes instead of Kay, 30min BM: yes instead of Kay, 30min EL: yes, 30min — Kay, 30min, if I have to choose I would choose Curdin PA: no but after the holidays — hours evaluartion part > hours for individual feedback DVD: yes, 30min CF: yes, 30min KM: yes instead of Kay Curdin 9x 30min Kay 2x 30min Contemporary dance workshop with Elisa, initiated by CF: date has to be decided. Update coming soon. Tufo workshop possible with Ralf in his cave with a maximum of 5 people. Difficult to plan a second time because of his personal way of planning his schedule. (9 people want to join. Will try to arrange this workshop a second time to form into two groups) Diogo 13th-17th in Matera. Karl initiates a visit of a graphic designer’s studio in Mont Escaliozo. Wo uld like to go there with Diogo to translate the visit in english for us. KM - When diogo is here we can go to graphic designer in another town. How many people are interested? - Emma - Karl - Alex - Pierre - Hannah - Dominik - Noa ( transportation ) - Charlie ( transportation ) KM - Also if Diogo is here we should talk about the educational package we want to pass on. Meeting about Diogo communication ; non violent communication Educational package Peer feedback - experimental Trip to Mauro Bubbico HS : Me and karl will make an open google doc so everybody can see what we are doing CF: About evaluation critera - meet with the group, go through the feedback, and then come back to the collective HS: Mona email - talk about how the minor is going. We dont need to participate, but if we feel like it Emma could do it ( she is in ehv ) NN; Maybe we can have a skype call with the 3th floor. HS : Janneke wants to come maybe BM : So what does everybody thinks about this meeting with Mona - minor meeting DOM - I would like to know anout the other minors PA - I would like to know about the other Minors how EL - I would like to partcipate, to like to know how the other Minors are doing BM - Also to see how its going in school, curious about other people LR- Similar to ben, curioius. NN - Quite interested in the drama - Maybe we can get somthing for it we didnt know before NJ - I would like to listen; not present: Empower the others to stand up for their own curiculem HS - interesting to hear - AK - interesting to hear. KM - maybe its interesting to maybe record: We also have troubles, if we take full control education we also face troubles EL - summarise what we are doing here, short intro i shouldnt contribute more: A recording would be nice: - take notes thats enough KM - presentation one day, - only written feedback. Italian class: Are you willing to keep going with the lessons? DV: If we end up being 8, I would not try to split the group anymore. NN: Let’s vote who keeps going. Should we use the budget to keep paying the italian class, that is probably will have its price rised from 8€ to 10 or even 12€? Is italian class a part of our education? Vote: 8 people keep going with italian courses (Niels, Emma, Benjamin, Pierre, Dominik, Charlie, Hannah, Karl) ---------- ---------- 2018/11/12 #M19 RECAP + KICK OFF ---------- RECAP FACEBOOK – things get lost – read & think to answer later.. Proposal: implementing tags “READ”, “READ & RESPOND” to know what is expected Proposal: using hearts and likes, one for participation and one for passing Proposal: one week of responding to everything: The person who proposes makes the code Codes: READ / READ AND RESPOND / URGENT Actively saying no (for not participating) For very urgent posts, mention it on the YO chat What about the chat? Could we divide different topics into different chats? – one for the key one for italian class etc – would not work because it gets very confusing INITIATIVE LIST – LR: photograpy workshop (active - taking pictures) – new tripod? Proposal: new calendar for equipment rental – KM: hdml workshop (proposal by pierre) DVD: initiative list is dying out, like a lot of things that we propose PA: actually a lot of things have happened DVD: in general, we launch things, we set a bar, but we never reach it, we just drop it. We don’t carry out the educational program we wanted to BM: we should not analyse the collective whilst we talk about it.. NL: I don’t really agree with Dominik DVD: set a goal to the topic “what’s up with the collective” AK: some strong emotions about what is happening NJ: let’s do a round how you feel in the collective. Personal state within the collective AK: what do you expect from the collective? EL: it’s becoming different, is it a round or a discussion? PA: like we talked with Kay, who thinks we area collective/minor.. We could also talk about group dynamics/.. BM: I would like to go through the initiative list first. After we could do a round / a discussion. The topic is changing. Pierre is going through the initiative list – film list? Initiatives crossed out & added DVD: where is our system at. Interesting: freedom, do we need more dicipline? Also about peer-learning : do we need a system / a responsibility about a symbolic consequence etc. would be nice as a discussion HCS: would love to talk about this today DISCUSSION: what does this level of freedom mean for us in terms of initiatives, discipline, following our own eductaional program, sticking to things. People’s opinion, who does this work out for. What level of dicipline do I expect and need? documentation-translation Lucas looking at the list PA: we did not do it BM: we would like to postprone it. I would still like to present some images, but we could also put it into the next slot. NJ: I have a tiny translation to present! DVD: you made a system, to sign up, there was no response, how do you guys deal with this? NL: IT’S NOT OKAY! You can’t have any cookies NJ: this is a tiny translation of a big project. Does not translate the whole thing, just a tryout NL: bar is pretty low on that list NJ: i wanted to make it into a bigger thing, but the first one isa trial *presenting* NJ: just a small tryout of the voice recording we did with Marjolijn, about the things we miss. It was very special. DVD: the translation is based on the last week or whatever you want? NL: anything you want. I will take the ones that are not filled and I will make very shitty translations. Let’s not make any judgements. You can strat counting time until Friday, it is going to be bombastic. BASO – complaints about how messy it is – trash bin has to be up for Zippo – windows should be closed when not in the space – message from Mauro about the electricity bill: “just asking you a favor: we're received a craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy bill for the electricity this month! I just wanted to ask you if you can turn on not all the lights when you don't need all of them!” – request: turn off lights when you leave. Use as little ligting as possible. Close the windows. Wash your dishes Working group: organise the studio Participants: Emma, Alex, Niels, Noa SCHEDULE BM: before we had collective & individual days, we don’t have this anymore. Should we still do it or not anymore? AK: we are doing it naturally BM: I wanted to make it clear how we divide DVD: after the individual week we set to this way of doing it. What do we schedule time for? Like with the kick off and recap. BM: that’s also why I asked. For some people who feel there’s no collective anymore, we don’t really stick with the schedule. PA: no collective is not so much about the schedule.. No time to dive into the individual projects, priorities have changed. EL: people take more time for themselves. People have their own things a bit.. PA: Individual things become a neccessity. We don’t need a tight schedule to make things work. At this point it is neccessary to focus on our own development. To keep track on who we are individually BM: before.. Now it’s difficult to have everyone on the same board. Is it something we should solve or is it something that happens naturally and we should just follow – monday & friday are collective Discussion: what does this level of freedom mean for us in terms of initiatives, discipline, following our own eeductaional program, sticking to things -How do we function in this freedom? -Are we able to function well with this degree of freedom? Its more a personal point of view, for some it might work while for others it wont. -How would you like the collective to function? Everthing is voluntary, so how do we function with this. A moment of self-refletion. Lets try to formulate the question so we can put it into the toolkit. PA: I miss regular basis of feedback, with encouragement and small assigment goals for a peer or buddy, Not in a freindly way but more strict. AK: Finding out how I can dicipline myself, after graduation will also be on your own. I have gone into a bit of a selfish way, focusing on how do I function. I’m okay with not having a collective day. Dominic: Expectation that i could become a indepedent designer. Now I’m a lot less productive. I wanted to teach each other that would help me to go out of my comfortzone. We created another bubble for ourselves. This freedom is not working well, i would like a system where some things are necessary. Everthing is voluntary, some more strucure and then stick to it, will help us. The expectations that i had were not met. EL: In school i had a lot of problems with motivation, it often felt like i was doing it for the teacher. Here we are really challenged to do that. Sometimes i abuse this freedom. HCS: Im not ready to be here, so its good that i’m here. I feel lost because i’m not passionate about what im doing. Self-maganement works out too well for me and it slowly becomes too strict, because I feel the need ot have control over this situation. There is a need for clear goals but also for a humble support from the collective. I put a lot of expectation on the collective, which I slowly start to realise now, it comes from putting a lot of energy into the collective and not getting a lot back, is it worth it to do so? The collective is more like a group where you have support, we don’t need to work on one project together, but let’s not forget about keeping up the good energy. We lose humbleness if we go induvidual. It becomes more difficult to help eachother. EL: i value the collective dinners a lot. This creates a lot of collective value for me. Family NN: I’m learning a lot from all of you, we are learning a lot, maybe it not the type of leaning we are used to. Its quite amazing that we mangeged to get here. Appreaciate that we mangaged it fror ourselves. I expectd more diciplne from myself, i enjoyed the tight deadlines. Maybe we can do this for ourselves. Buddy system, penalties. Somehow a valiadtion of a deadline. NJ: we are doing good as a group. Its crazy how we developed, we are very good at disscusing and respecting compared to the fabrica group. Marjolijn said she was impressed on how we are on top of things. The 3rd day we showed how we can take over. I’m really slow in my personal project, but this is also because of slow matera, it could take me a day to find some coal to draw. The visual surrouning is also passive and slow. There is way more to question here, which can dump you in ablack hole of doupts. We are half way of the semester! Learning from eachother would be nice if we have a evening where we share, can be workshop or just inspiration. NL: Adding, our productivity is lower because we spend time orginising ourselve, something that we dont usual do. Its not fair to comare our productivity to the DAE. DVD: The offfence dicipine level is the average of all our diciplines together. Its a direct refelction of us. PA: we are supper skilled in our disscusions. But when i leave the discussion im tired after it, so the personal productivity goes down. Preffere big collective days NN: we shount make a problem where there is non. Are we also grading ourslefs in the dissucsions rather than the perosnal grading. BM: Im doing it for myself attending the meetings, I miss people, i would like to share more. With some people it dont discuss at all. Here we have time to think, at dae we can bull shit. We are slower here but it has a stronger stucture, im slow but its something i belive in. For me there is a difference in offfence work and offfence personal. NN: More social times, but sometimes i dont have energy to be social. HCS: i also didnt feel so social, #metime BM: social doent have to be full of energy. Can be personal and small. Affection has a big part in the group dinamic. Dominic: What im missing, is insperation and different perspectives. Of what design can be. NN: maybe you are looking at it from the wrong side, we are leaning and pushing what design can be. NJ: how we active what we have learned in the group. Our sskill set that we can active into different situdation. Fabrica has a lot of imput for inspiration, HCS: lets get a system for insppiration, workshop screening, maybe every thursday #ignite Read this book: So sad today, book club ? BM: Lets not put too much expectations again, question yourself in what you want to give and recive. Thinking in the longterm, i give to the group, you get it back x11. The people who paricipate into cirkle, they are resonsible to give back to the others. REFLECTION: MARJOLIJN DVD: how do we frame this? NJ: just your personal oponion NJ: I felt responsible. In the beginning, I read her proposals & approach, and it sounded very fitting with the mapping and architecture etc, especially because it is hard to find one person who would fit everyone.. Group dynamics were a bit off the second day, and it felt like everyone was not really enjoying. Then I had a dinner with her, and I realised we were following her like students and we did not practice offfence in the workshop. It was something we knew from Kiek and it became a bit like a school. Then the third day we took control and we decided to do it collectively and she was a bit sceptical, but in the end it was much more productive with what we wanted to get out of her, also when we go back to the academy we can consciously activate this. It was good to do without thinking too much. I felt that she was way more valuable as a person rather than a teacher, and it was stronger like this. DVD: good to have her arriving, as a professor. It reminded me of 1st year, and I questioned it, and even if I was very depressed those days, I still came and showed up and it put me out of my practice. It made me realise what value it has to have people coming in, and I think it is not important to actually cover everyones needs with the people who come in. To receive input that was not for me, it gave me a lot and I am looking forwards to more of it. Now I have more apprepriation for maps, and now it is my knowledge, but I would not have known about this before. BM: why did you come if you did not feel good? DVD: i did it as a duty but I also got a lot out of it. It motivated me EL: Noa thank you for organising it! You were the first one to do that. I really enjoyed the course, because I did not go to the quarry yet, of course it was a bit known for us, but I really enjoyed her telling us what to do, and then sharing it, and you leave it there in the end of the day to pick it up the next day. After the second day though I felt that maybe 3 days are a bit too much. But the 3rd day ended very well, and it gave a lot. It was also good that the people who did not feel like it dropped out, because it was very intimate and pleasant. DVD: did you elarn somethingh? EL: to be more open about mapping, putting everything on the table opened me up to new approaches, new outcomes. AK: I really enjoyed the experience, the methods were familiar, but going to the quarry made me very free, my thinking process went very broad, the 3rd day was very special and the outcome made me very excited. That we established with her a s a group, something was fueld, we got to a certaing pont where we could influence eac other. LR: I feel similar to dominik about this. I didn’t really relate to, I though it was an inspirational thing to experience, but i would not use it as a part of my practice, it was good to go thougj, i really enjoyed it. HCS: BM: difference between the knowledge, that she was supposed to give as a guest, but more the experience that she brought, I realised in the quarry as if it was 1st year, but by doing this there were different ways to enjoy what I was learning and doing, even if i didn’t really like the excercise, I felt like I didn’t have to leave, because nice things happened, like staying there longer, and that was a part of something that I learned from her and I really value that. I also realise that we all knew what she was teaching, but we all think we know things, but it’s also that we forget that we can use these methods. It’s easy to say that we know things. In the 3rd day what happened is taht people elft, and it was nicer, the eneergy went down the 2nd day becuase some were there without wanting to be there. All of these nice things happened in the 3rd day : if you do things because you really want to do them, this is how the collective energy is coming the best. If you want to do something, do it, if not, don’t do it. We work the best if we want to do things 100%. You don’t otherwise waste the energy of the others who would have to deal with you and vice versa. People should not leave but think first why are you here, if you don’t want to, don’t do it. I would really value some times during these rounds to not have the phones out. DVD: sometimes you have to be exposed to things you don’t find comfortable, to grow. More Marjoljn and people who take us out of our comfort zone. PA: I really liked it, it had a loto f inspiration for me. I was super excited for her to come. Even if her way of teaching was not super exciting, but I always tried to find a way of approaching it personally to frind an interest in it. It was very interesting in the bigger picture: how to explore the world around you. I enjoyed waking up early, the days we spent, and how we appreciated tiredness in another level, it was a satisfaction. The way the workshop ended was absoluletly incredible, also from her eys, because she never thought about making a map with sounds. That brought up another bigger pictre of houw do you communicate the feelings of context to people outside of the context, very valuable. I took as much as I could from this workshop. NL: I thought it was nice to have a workshop together, do something together and learn something together. I fould the excercises taht we were doing not so interesting, but I found her very interesting, had nice conversations. I enjoyed going very early in the morning to the quarry. What put me off was the need to translate the feelings and emotions into words, I felt I was done with it. I hoped a bit for mapping in a different way than communicating with words. When I decided not to come, it was good, and I’m very happy I did, optiong out put pressure to not only lay in bed and watch netflix, so I did a lot of work, otherwise I could not have justified myself. It was good to drop out and good to also participate. PA: I realised that it was very hard for Marjolijn to approach us, because we are so fast, and we really need to keep the rythm to not to lose interest, otherwise if it takes too long, we start to question it in our minds. NL: it didn’t manage ti capture the feelings I had in the quarry, the mapping part. I could not feel the connection anymore. EL: I really enjoyed the upstairs part, because we had to present something on the paper, we were so much otside of teh academy, and it was a nice checkpoint. BM: how do other schools do it? NJ: In the acadey, the presentation is a bit pretending that you are a scientist, putting them into glass boxes etc.. EL: Easy to relate to the academy. AK: because you’re in it. NJ: I liked hearing all this because I was a bit nervous about it. Workshops are always a bit empty, it’s maybe 1-3 days, and you can’t realy have a learning curve as you would in a school. During the workshop you take in, take in, take in and do it, you learn a new approach. and after you can see what you can do with it. Marjolijn really enjoyed it, and said thank you for us! DVD: advice to other people who want to organise it? NJ: To interact a bit more with what’s happening. I posted so many times abuot what is happening and so on. I had the feeling that a big part gets lost, the bigger part of why she was here. If someone brings a person, lets do the research before, to relate a bit more. DVD: like 1st year, because everything is pushed at us, but we’re not researching about the courses.. What do we want from luca acito (what part of his work interests us?) and when. MID TERMS Proposa NL: Mid-terms are private and OFFFENCE end terms are public. DVD: Important to know where you are and to at least step on the path towards the end of the semester, to know the direction BM: we can present something but does it have to be an exhibition? A bit like what we did at ODS, a presentation, so we would not have to curate a big thing HCS: DVD: only thing against presenting is that then you already package it, and then the path will change. It will also add pressure. At mid tems we should be able to talk about what we are doing. BM: that’s why i made a difference between exhibition and presentation DVD: mid-term presentations HCS: I would not present during December, and keep that more humble NL: I can see that point, but I like the idea of including some other people before we are completely done here. PA: would make a lot of difference to present in december rather than mid-terms. The week of mid-terms will be quite caothic, it’s hard to focus on the process and the content. Mid terms are more of a check point about what has to be done next. I see the two weeks very productive, and in the end thinking how to present and curate. I don’t see myself showing it to the locals at mid terms at all. DVD: I proposed the offfence end-terms as an open format, we present to each other, and locals could also join to give feedback. From that point until january we would then have a lot of time to put this feedback into practice. NL: agree with keeping midterms private. 14-15th could also be a moment to present/explain the format we’ve been working on: how did we operationalise this self initated study program and then when we present in January it will probably have more of a character of an exhibition. Talking generally about us: how have we been working and relating to the context in December, and later on focusin on our own process and the outcome of that, in the form of a lecture/presentation December: focus on educational package (not pushing the deadline, but able to make a presnetation about our mission here) January: focus on individual project + exhibition (then we also package it) DVD: offfence end term - offfence as educational program, but we need to write a master text (for…) January will be very intense, some will focus on curating aspect, some on individual process. When we elave for christmas we should already have answers so when we come back we could just continue without needing to find out what we will do. Important to have more sessions; those who are interested should participate PA: Niels, in your proposal in december, you also see presenting and curating personal process? But if we follow this open format .. NL: nicer to focus on the collective and educational part in that moment, and present individual projects in the end BM: i would not be afraid of combining the presentation with what we are doing. I would not put that aside, its aldo fine to say what you are working on. They don’t expect to show the final outcome, just as we did it in ODS PA: Agree, would come back to the open house structure. No status of an exhibition, come when you want, and do a lecture/presentation about the educational part so the ods and iac could come and see that, and that could happen in the same space. After the talk people can walka round HCS: Space, presentatio, we shouldnt serve our prjoect on a silver platter to the others. Talk and presentation. Open house and a bit more fuidly. Dom: evaluation group has to meet a bit more, how will it go down, how long time does it take. An dthis will take a lot of time. They want the sheets to be ready one week before. BM: maybe is it nice to talk with diogo about out evealuation cirteria. Instead of now HCS: everyone should make propasals into the. --- Restating proposals for our midterm, endterm, process NIELS, BEN Midterm With Kay and Curdin in Baso Presentations of our process and where we are Private OFFFENCE Endterm 14-15 dec Presentations of who we are, what is our educational process, educational package Also presentations of personal process, open to the public Christmas break We write the evaluation papers for each other We rewrite, edit, these proposals a week before the final endterm Final endterm mid-january Exhibition for Kay, Curdin, and the city of Matera Midterm OFFFENCE Endterm 14-15 dec Hannah Agree with most Midterm private with Kay and Curdin OFFFENCE endterm Presentation of projects, open to public Presentation of educational package How do you? Keep the final evaluation for Kay and Curdin… Dominik Agree with mid-terms End term: focus on who we are as a collective, no open questions for January Imprtant to keep on meeting with the evaluation criteria group, to update the final sheets. Exhibition in January is very important + mobile, to take it to Eindhoven ---------- ---------- 2018/11/15 #M19 Educational Package Pitches ---------- KM PITCH: 2 subjects, we try to let them interfere. 1st : educational package 2nd: website Educational package start. = instructions for 6months horizontal design education The audience is exclusive the collective minor of next year the reason is that we are basing our education on our experience. Not for 1 person not for a really big group, target audience next generation of students for collective minor. ( reads out rules ) website Is of instructions, it´s a start. How this came to be is actually a link to our website. We chose not to create a wirer frame or a format. A transmedium narrative, its a story - a narrative that we wright. It´s in the past, Not necessary in gronological order . Parrameter 1 is lengt. Parrameter 2 media Documentation - translation not sure where to put it on the website. (all in documentation) PA: My picth isa bit different. I didnt divide the chapters in the same way. see the educstional package as a book and website, all having different audiences. book will be for the third flpor nd educationall board, ODS IAC, final exhibition, our futures. The website will be for the larger scale. By having a website, we could be a reference for other genratiuons and the rest of the world.’ I would like to divide the package into chapters, with each group taking care of one chapter. A team for book, website, curation. What we criticize about our own education: What are our answers to this criticism: well-bring, platforms of collaboration. Empowering students and participats: horizontality, transparency, right to not participate, right to decide outcome, evaluation criteria, little chapter on scheduling, impoirtance of recap debate, kickoff, managemnt Communiction tools: gestures, moderator role, notetaking, etc… Communication exercises: counting up as a group, experimental filters, etc… Collaboration tools: how we try to collaborate, 3 day assignment systems, readmission game, peer feedback, Initiative list Documentation and translation Houing and accomodation Importance of contextuality: why we left, cultural appropiation Experimental: how we tried to have fun, how it helped to progress as a human being, how does it tke us out f the routine Budget: teachers, money, pitches, hours.. Small scale: how we can adapt everything we did to the design academy level. HCS: I made one table of contents, and another one that is a bit of reformating the first one, and I will just read it out. A kickoff Motifs and frustrations Introduction List of members List of rules Group dynamics Preparations phase What is education What is OFFFence education What is horizontality Collective vs independent Methods TOOLS AND FORMATS Communciating Scheduling Taking time for time’ Mental Group therapy Group dynamics Mintues of silence Exercises to loosen up Values Experiences Evaluation Story and recap Some more things: Our trial and error theory vs us based on theory Transparency and sharing Translating our week structure into the form (kickoff and recap) quirky or fun layer to the form of the manual. MIND (Missing in between) MEMORY A book that would then be the manual, but not like the ODS Manual An exhibition as a physical experience (spatial experience) A package as physical entity that contains the education. Maybe it could just be a book with all the questions we asked ourselves or what you would ask when you wouls make soemthing liekt hisand ewe would asnwere all of them a´but we woul not publsih the asnwers but it would just be empty pages. NJ: What i think is that i didnt make sych a proposal with a lot of contetn but i was only thinking a little bit more about the format, anf i have been interested in the word package. Maybe other generations dont want horizonatality and maybe they dont want a manifesto. And what i realized is that we will still be here and we will still be able to have interaction with the future generations. It’s more like envelopes that are based on our own experiences that they can open only when they run into a problem that we run into that ocntains, isntructions, phone numbers, skype names, usbs, etc… Discussion on audience of educational package / documentation: DR: Define your different audiences NL: Some of things we want to communicate is a toolbox, other parts are our own experience, etc… DR: Perhaps i wasnt completely clear. Define your intentions. Do you want to create proposals? Do you want to show experience? What do you intend to communciate? PA: Karl had a good propsoal that i apprciate: to separate 3 audiences, and three formats, and three contents that have different grounds. A storyline for the exhibition, some tools that go a bit more in depth for the next minor (they might not care about our experiences, or inutes), the ducational board. A common gorund for 3 different audiences, 3 differbt educational packages. KM: DR: Why do you feel so responsible for next years minor? Its not so complicated or beureaucratic at the design academy. You could replicate this into the academy. You could try to apply it there within the context. Even the masters. KM: HCS: The meeting we are talking about the education board hasnt reached the level of officialness that we are reffering to. It was jsut a cool suggestion from janneke. Its not such a big thing. we can organize this with them, it might me beautiful. NJ: I dont feel so much responsibilty for the next minor, its better that they are not guided. But we can empower them, or give them the necouragement to do thigns as they want. Lets not be imposing, or imperialistic with them. PA: I share diogos opinion, and i think its a very interesting tool to oflowo for the next genrreation, but what we are doing is interesting for the academy , presentations, educational package. Why should it be only one collective minor. What i hear from the second year is that at elast 60 who want to do the collective minor. Why do we need to propose all of this for one minor. Our target is to speak to the educational board. I think we have the chance something within the acadmey and i dont want to asddress all the 70 students. KM: 2 proposal, 1. we ask from the students how many people want to go on collective minor. Divide in smaller groups because 70 will never work. 2nd proposal - move on and make a list. Everything we want to say to the next minor. NJ: is it about the next collective minor or about the educational board ? HS; I would like to commend on this point of view, we are not DAE and not the 3d floor. We can not make these decisions, we can only purpose. We just set a bench mark, people are excited about it. DAE is a bit in trouble because of us. DR: go back to self responsibilty, its not your responsiblility. Its not up to you guys, you are waisting your own energy on assumptions. This document should be for yourself. To inspire and empower, if its inspiring 5 or 100 its not about the number. If you focus on this, the inspiring part. The question that came about DAE, this is maybe something you can. There will come the sitatuion where you need to face the DAE+ are you gonna accept or are you going to propose . If this future collecitive minor does their own things and have their own ideas, then they dont need you. Its best if you focus on your own representation as well as possible. Trying to solve other peoples problems can be destructive for you right now. KM: PA: How can we change thigns for the acadmy and the next 12 minor students. what solutions in education can we bring forward. How can we propose changes to be implemented in the academy. DR: You guys are inevitably going to be Agents of change. What i mean is that while you do this package, you’re going to inspire changes in a personal education strategy that you can infiltrate with your own departments. PA: This is a conversation we already have, but NJ; Its a very new thing, but with in this discussion im also asking myself how much we are an educational system and how much a desgin collective. The educational part is what we are doing . i dont want to see it that we need to change DAE, more as a design. 3d thing - we have a next minor, i would prefer to communicate it to a broader target group because we are not so interested in the DAE thats why left. This whole thing is aiming on the DAE bubble again. DR: You just said what I was aiming for - its not for the next minor or for the DAE. You left, you are your own instituion, collective. Dont maybe adres back to them. KM: hard to say, but you brought the book - its not a set of instructions but more tools. Those tools can be valueble for other people, it should SOMEHOW be in universal. I would have these tools mast produced, narration of events. DR; what you said is seperate the chronology, the education package is than the set of tools that promote the education that everyone can use. The archieve - website tells your narrative. 2 seperate things, personal narrative of the design collective are online and the book helps with that. KM: next step- extract everything that we have created. Filter out what is valueble what has helped us. What can be packaged. HS: i have a hard time seeing what is the difference beteween table of content and this. I would propose: maybe we could stick with thinking about this educational package, we somehow really believe in it. But to think that it can be for everyone. Its more for ourselves ---------- ---------- 2018/11/16 #M21 RECAP and Peer Feedback ---------- HCS, CF: Proposal: applying #experimental filter of only asking questions NL: presenting his translation DR: Can you explain the system? NL: /explanation KM: the dates there are just deadlines, it has not have to be a translation just about that week, you just present it then. PA: with Ben we were supposed to do one, but it’s my fault that we did not do it. Yesterday we spoke about many things, and we were very inspired by this book BM: I would appreciate i PA: i was super inspired by this book, it was a pity that I didn’t realise the translation project. So instead on saying it’s shit, we had so many projects that we didn’t realise NL: can you skip to the point? PA: basically, we want to make a book that would be a library about all the initiatives that we never realised, besides a book that would tell you what to do, it would be a book that tells you what you didn’t do. LR: is that related to the idea about a book of failures? PA: then the idea will be in this book. PEER FEEDBACK Niels NL: we all played the game yesterday, what did you think? NJ: do you want to make a second level? NL: what do you mean by that NJ: version/level TWOOOooOO. Is there going to be an expansion / a newer version? NL: for my self at least, i would like to continue working on what is there now, and developing that now. I’m not so much interested in making it bigger already, rather tweak the thinsg we made now. KM: if you do make a second version, what changes and additions would you make? NL: it’s also a question for you, what worked in it and what didn’t. That’s why KM: i would love to see other people involved, the most interesting was how Thomas was answering to the game. Maybe it would be interesting for CF: would it be possible to do it without the need to speak the same language? So with the people who don’t speak english? NL: the presentation part is english based, but I guess it could happen also DR: how important to you think the location is? NL: not really CF: would you like it to be site specific, do you think that’s important to the game? So that playing in the tower has a meaning to it. NL: at the moment it is very site specific, but it does not require that. NJ: a meta question maybe, how much is this your game and how much is it the game of the group? NL: in my opinion it’s.. Super dificult question, i think it’s pierre, ben and I, but there was also a collaborative effort between everyone. This does not really question how much the game can improve. Why do you find it an important question? NJ: people can feel left out if you say ‘your game your game’ PA: we gave a lot of effort to realise this game, so it is a game of the group, but we realised it. It’s still an offfence game. We made it for the group as a group NJ: it’s not a critique. NL: whoever feels like they are apart of the game DR: was there ever an idea that this would be open design / open source, as a game? NL: we never talked about it.. I think it makes a lot of sense in it to have it that way, and it already is a bit, from he way it has been concieved, it’s not just one persons genious plan. That would be an interesting way to package it, as being open source. KM: actually that was very critical so I wil not say CF: what were you yourself critical about? What do you think did not work out? NL: some small things that we didn’t know before, like the time and so on. DR: after we played the game, how do you see the shame cards now? Is it still negative or do you now see it positive? NL: i think it’s more extra stores but it’s neither positve or negative PA: i think we culd implement them a lot, some of them can be helpful and some are very shame related, so you don’t know what you will draw BM: i was not really fond of the shame and punishment, but i ddi feel taht is wa smore of filters, for humour, but we also realised that it can be helpful, and now i also question the rules.. DR: if you design this game as a creative excercise, does the card of shame hijack this, turning into a comical game..? It seems to me taht it takes over the other part NL: it takes the attention away.. Karl KM: is it interesting that i presnet the project me nd dominik are working on, or should I present my persoal work. I wil present the website first. Dominik and I are working on a web archive, a transmedial web narrative, a composition of tehxt and image, involves diagrams schedules calendrast, so what offfence has been from 17th of february until januray 2019. There’s not a clear visual going on, but it might look like this. We gacve it parameters, one of them woud be a lenght, so you can choose how much you want to receive, the idea is that the very longest is the raw pastet images, including duplicates etc, the second parameter would be media type, between text and visual media, on one end you’ll have just text, and on the other hand you’ll just have a photo essay. That’s our idea, and we have ahd this idea that for teh audio files we have, we would make one year long audio recording, it’s automatically playing in the background of the narrative, so you get a very distant voice on what is happening about what you are reading. I have some quick questions about my project as well. I have this impulse to purchase a bodysuit which is going to be green or black and I want to see if it’s possible for me to spam google street view on matera by photo spheres, of me doing unnormative things in the city, and if it will stary up there, not a lot of reflections on this, just an impulse. I’ve got 4 minutes and 40 seconds. CF: for the website, how much do you care for it to be simple and readable on the first site, or something more complext that would have to be scrypted to be understood? So in short, how complext would you want it to be? NL: how onjective do you want the archive to be versus how aesthetic? How important is it that it would be easy to access vs that it would be truthfull one year proadcast? NJ: is there going to be a notion of privacy? Or is everything shared equally? DR: for me Matera seems to be a very sensorial place, are you comfortable in missing other senses on the website? PA: how chronological do you want it to be, and where you see the balance between chronological and chapter-devided? DR: could there be a way taht people print their version of the story? That after they have selected the parameters that they could print a copy of taht, or that they’d have a way of storing this version. PA: how do you plan to gather projects of everyone? Do you plan to gather projects of everyone? KM: can you please clarify? PA: how much do you want to stay open for others to interfere with the website? Ex: I would like this to be on my website, I am working on that, can we add a chapter on the website? KM: I feel like answering both you and Niels’ questions about objectivity and interferring. It’s complicated because we are taking the responsibility of representing the collective online, if we take a role of a curator, we’re not creating information, but just combining it. So there is not really a need to make it objective or chrnological, but of course we are open for it. Charlie CF: I will try to be very quick, this is the very first video I took, when I tried to play the zapogna. I’ve been watching this too many times. This whole week that I was there we started building the instument. This time I was able to do more things. These are the parts we constructed the instruments (showing images). What happened was that I wcould use the machines for some time, I was turning wood, but that was not the interesting part. The interesting part became the exchange we could have. He woudl always show me how to do it myself, small moments that happened were nice, and that was what iw as manily interested in, for example we just made the campelja, the end part, so i was just testing the hollowness of the part, and at one point he joined (showing video) in the end we were playing together. We had moments of exxperiemncin sound together. We could not exchange a lot but we spent the whole weke together, the intrument became a bridge. My research now is how to play the instrument. First you blow it up to have enough air pressure in the pelle, the skin. It first sounds like this if you don’t play, but when you start learning the instrument, you first learn how to make a sound steady (explaining the way to play + showing another video). Very much physcal effort – another layer I found interesting: it’s very animalistic, very bodyly, feels like a baby. Now I would like to show you what id id on the light table: i am doing historical research on the sapogna, combining this with the stories I collected trhoughout my week there. Iput situations together. One ex: often the zapogna is played together in a circle, an instrument to gather. The aim of this excercise is to see a historical story and a story of toda, to see how the intsument is still trying to remain it’s story. I’m trying to make sense of the material I made, to bring it to the presnet besides leaving it to the past. PA: how do you want to compile all of your documentation? Because you ahve a lot of axes and different mediums. How do you see the balance between the final object, the performatve aspect and the process/documentation/story? CF: I’m planning to build a space where i would have live sapogna lessons, and there you would encounter the insturment. And the n there would be an image space where you could see the research. An image comparison/archive, can be a book or can be online. HCS: how much do you want to base this on you vs on other stories from the now? CF: i need to perform, because i think otherwise it will lose its value. I’m also reaching out to people in germany who play this, there’s no young girls who would like to construct or play it. I am working on a lot of layers. I am at the center, it is combning my own stories. LR: how many aspects and layers do you want to connect? NL: how do you focus on this communicational aspect with quirino, which tools did you use, you always say that it’s hard to communicate, but it worked anyway, what made the communication aspect to work? How did the musical part help? DR: do you feel responsible for also passing this knowledge on someone else? PA: how do you want to play on the difference of time and era, the cultural and the current aspect? this the ritual change because the surroundings changed (it)? KM: is it possible that this project, this process would be a medium, even for dialogue? EL: is quirino also being a part of this in a later stadium? DR: in yoga, there’s something called circular breathing, have you looked into that? CF: thank you guys, it’s really good questions Lucas de Ruijter LR: I think I could go next, or we could go next. It’s a continuayopm on the 3 day assignment. It started from the idea of the playing tufo blocks, based on the regular measurements of tufo blocks. Now i was looking for more measuremnets. It’s based on the matrix of the ODS, something that would connect Matera and the ODS system. Thats’ where this came out of. On a bigger scale, to construct something a bit more serious, but not on the size of a buildiing. This that could move to differnet places. CF: in the beginning of this project I was researching chimneys, so site specifically, we started researching hwo we could build osmethin from there. The idea of this fireplace or a place for warmth mainly comes from our idea to have places in the sassi that would translate warmth, how can you create spaces that would create situations that would interfere with the privacy, sometimes the chimneys just pop out and you realise you’re walking on a roof. LR: also see a lot of connections with hannah’s project, i saw this structure as a potential to bring more light/warmth into this place. PA: how important do you see the performative aspect of the project? So not only building it for yourself, but also how the city sees it and the people? You wouldn’t even need to interact. How do you want to make this project official? How dyou want to froncise it? We already spoke abut the game for children fro the 3day assignment, how do you want to makr, and do you? Adding a stamp of officiality HCS: do you see this as something open source, so that people could build it themselves? CF: the cat’s are laying against them because the stones are warm. KM: has to do a lot with the time of the year, and I see it relating to the tourism here, creating interest when there’s actually not any. PA: how far do you see your collaboratin with locals on one hand and tourists on the other hand, and with existing structures (relating to the ods)? Concerning the ods, how do you want to presnet this to them according to the open structure. CF: if we work with open systems you can try to share it with locasl, and see f they would want to build it. DR: is this how you see this being used? Against a wall etc LR: it was just for the situation, we still need to think about that. CF: the aim is not actually to have an open fire. EL: how much do you want to be involved in this yourself, when you bring it to the people? Do you leave it up to them or do you involve yourself? NL: is it itended for indoor or outdoor use? What is the connection to the chimneys? CF: just a connection, but it can now get loose from there. NJ: how can you incorporate the traces you leave with the fire? The black trace is quite ehavy but can also be very beautiful. PA: how important do you see the experimentation around the scale? According to your audience (tourists, locals and ods) BM: how much do you want it to stay functional or story telling-like project? What is your position in that? In my point of view, the bottom of the story changed, on certain extents I believe that it needs more care, on how you approach this or the other. Hannah HS: quick recap: the whole idea where i am now, comes from empty housing plot that i wanted to clean. Realised it would be much to do, time limit of 2 week to arrange something with the locals, talked to mauro to arrange something at tower. Event where people could chat with eachother. Big papers, ex. Ralf drawing things, and giovanni. They drew a lot. But hannah doesnt want to continue, didnt get what she expected. Wanted shape of a viginato(?) draw shape of fence to recreate that. Maybe wanted to do a model out of tufo as a representation. Nice things were said, but mostly it was just a cozy gathering, and didnt yield the outcome expected. Hannah liked the outcome socially but doesnt know where to take it from now. Waiting for pasquale to send pictures. What to do now BM: people where interested in what you were doing - nice victory HS: yes it was nice that people who didnt know eachother had a chat CF: would you consider it important to take a next step, would it be an idea to think about more specific questions with very specific tasks to complete? HS: could be an option, but the collaboration is hard, i would be steering it too much and not leave it up to then LR: is there a connection between the expectations, and what happened/came out of it? HS: what came out wasn’t how i imagined it would be PA: how do you want to find a balance between personal point of view and local point of veiw? CF: you are looking for some value in your project, do you want some help finding link between architecture/shape and local meaning/value? HS: i would love to talk about it later with you DR: I am observing you had an event with very specific goals, but you left it open. My question is: are you open to receive these results in an open way, or would you have done differently if you specifically wanted this kind of drawing? HS: i kept it open, but had prepared specific question to guide it in a way, but the conversation evolved in a way i couldnt expect. DS: what you got was a sensorial map of sorts, i see there is a possibility to turn this material into a map.. BM: what was striking was that there is a mix of perspective and top view. Their mind projects the vicinato in personal ways/ memories rather than the rational of topview CF: how important is audio recordings and stories to you? DR: marolijn workshop is extremely related to your project, some maps more literal than others, can you use that workshop as inspiration for your project? HS: I didnt aspire to make a map, but rather, but i need to get over the hurdle that maps are not necessarily a specific thing. EL: Can you not set a timeslot for yourself to make this map? Could this map bring you further - its not necessarily the end result but a step on the way PA: how important do you see the skill/learning of QA and managing an event, asking specific questions, controlling the answers of the event. If you want what you expect how do you control the event. How do you see the potential in comparing your expectations and memories? (of the participants) how do you compare your complex shapes (of ecpected map) to the more simple shapes of the memories? BM: You want to work hands on. How can you embrace this need of 3d with the different ways they gave their responses? You asked for their memories in 2D, how can you translate that 3D PA: would you allow yourself to influence local points of views on vicinatos? Noa NJ. to behonest i am very stuck because I ask too many questions. I feel i only have fascinations not a design process yet. This fascination is the necrology wall. The hole system that you ahve layers of lives stuck on a wall, i find it very beautiful & it fascinates me how this wall changes through time and represet how things just pass on, its a lot about matera, all the stones are also necrogi, there’s so much beauty and mystery in this. Aslo how in the material inself, how it falls of and a new life is visible again. This is fascnation about whats alread ythere, but also how people interact with it, hole groups go areound there and it forms a meeting place, very interative gtoup wise. Tells the story of the city and social wise also, how much a community makes, it’s a samml comunity pecause people engage with it. The system behind it i went to commune to ask for that. If you don’t pay, they but the affesione abusiva on there, because you did not pay the government for this to be on the streets. If you pay, they stay for 3 days. They put the stamps there also. I met the guy sho was cutting off the affesione abusiva (telling the story of the flower shop guy). The whole wall is such a beautiful project, but I don’t really feellike i could add something, so i was wondering how I could maybe show the beauty of it. In altamura, in the fog it occured again, the older layers. Mexican tradition: someone only dies when you dont think about them anymore. Last thing, i was thinking back to the ws with marjolijn, and we talked that smell brings a lot of memories back, i don’t know how it could be in the practice, but maybe every poster wall could have a corner with the smell of the person there, so it woudl really be a memory wall. I also went to the funreal company, but they were really busy.. Okey. DR: what are your next steps? NJ: I DON’T KNOW! I don’t feel I should add osmething, so maybe I can show or something, I don’t know, I’m very stuck. Now I’m interviewing people about how they feel about it, when they look at it. NL: how do you feel about taking these down? NJ: i never took them I just got them from the guy who was taking them off CF: how would you feel if you started taking them down? NJ: no.. CF: I was just thinking because the government is forbidding people to post unpayd deaths. Do you feel like taking down the only the layer of affesione abusiva? DR: if you’d see this as material, what kind of an object would you make with this material? NJ: to have it as an object is stronger than to have it as pictures. BM: I find it beautiful, the materialisation of death and life, what you like in this is the materialisation of the death of someone, which makes it official for people, but what I also see ist that the negative, what is difficult, what you don’t like is the administrative aspect of it, the officialiation of death that is not tangible, but how is it materialised? How can you/ woudl you like to go in this direction on how one mediom can actually make it felt? NJ: i understand, the only thing is taht i don’t think i want to focus to much on the administration, i don’t think it’s the meaning of my project.. PA: how important do you see the process of collecting stories, documenting, pictrues, interviewing people, how do you see it nt as an outcome but something tangible to be created? NJ: i would like to make it into something more NL: what is interesting is the notion of ownership in this, that the memory of the person is gone when he’s no longer paying to the commune, o the society. Thats when he’s deleted from common public memory, and they put a poster on them. They still payed taxes and consumed and they still remove them from public memory if they did not pay . i would fin it interesting in digital way, when do you stop creating data? The notion of ownership and value of money gathering DR: re these walls public? i f ou rent a private wall, it would be up to you to decide if the paper was allowd? How would dutch people fele if you started doing this in eindhoven? EL: is it really needed to ask your self the question whether you need to add something? Also, try to ask where the fascination comes from, if it’s not Maybe speaking with charlie on how she’s relating to different places? CF: i grew up looking at the newspaper announcements on death. What is the difference and value of public and private space? What possibilities does public space give to this and what do you find important in there? DR: when do you define something public and something private. In matera it’s super weird, i saw some people climbing on someones balkonies just to hang public lights, as if the balcony was a part of the street, here it’s a evrt weid notion of public and pirvate. NJ: on the streen tear unite, they stop with the cars, and they just observe inside the car, and then continue. NL: can you have it on there for 3 years if you pay more? DR: so the 3 days are a reason why people look at them so often. Emma EL: after speaking with Kay I noticed I really had to get started, so I made a plan to ask the people who live in the south, what they’re favourite thing of their day is, when they are not working. It’s based on my conversations with the people from the north. (showing the video) BM: what is the quetsion you asked? EL: I asked them what their favouritte activity of their day is and why? And if it was related to doing it tgethwer wth friends or alone, and if they cold show me, also what they enjoy the most when they do it. With the kids it went well, but with the old men it was hard to have these answers. I also have to translate the footage. It’s very raw material, i would like to aks more people from different ages. After asking a few poeple i only kenw what i wanted NJ: do you see the footage that you are taking now a sa research part or already as an end result? Is the outcome a video/ a movie or is it a research DR: as i understood, your idea is to compare the north and the south EL: that is my startingpint, but it is too political, so i shifted focus to the south. DR: now it’s a documentary on matera based on daily activities? EL: Yes, i think so. CF: did you consider it interesting to even specifically ask them about how they feel as being people of the south? Is it still somethingyou want to focus on? What does south mean for them? Or do you just want to focus on their leisure activities. EL: if i ask them what does it mean to be a southener, i would already put my opinion on them.. PA: how do you want to play with the rythm of the city in your video? the long shots for example, t represented sometimes the rythm of matera which is somethimes very slow sometimes very crowded.. How could you express the feleing thatyou have as an outsider, to feel welcome on one and not welcome on another hand DR: step back, comment: it’s almost impossible to not to put your point of view on a documentary. You are already making the decisions by who to interview and the questions. It could be more meaningful if you took a stand. That sid, what woud be the perspective you want to show of matera? BM: I gues sthat id you’d do thesame exercise in dif countries and cities, i assume people would react differnetly to your questions not only in their replies but also in the time they take for you. I wonder if the only information you want to use is what they say, but mayeb also their body language and the way they react, as an information on its own. Are the asnwers to the qustions more valuable for you in your research than the reactions you interview and questiosn.? PA: how do you se ethe importance of video as medium to transport your experience and or point of view and wuold you see a way of interactive object to use as a madium to observe and have this experience of the city nd its inhabitants, and having the vidoe as an outcome.. Rephrase: the video is important as you show it, in translating your point of view, but would you also see an interactive object to use as a medium to bridge the interactions in th city? CF: could it maybe be especially interesing to look at all the prejustices, it’s very hard to have anobjectve bview anyways, how woudl you really deal with all the prejustices, and the realction on them? DR: if your medium is video and documentary, I think Kay is a very important person to be in contact with. Pierre PA: As you know, I basically wanted to map the network, and the word map i was not attracted to anymore, and I went back to the essential question I asked myself, how do I take back with me the experience of a city? Nowadays it’s especially in social media and in pictures, which are easy to follow and look at but you never really get the experience, it’s very sterile and with not many emotions. By creating avery small format i created a way to take it back with me, and it’s a way of filteringf the information. When I write a little frawing, i will only draw one of 10 chairs, and I really filter what is important for me, also hwo can i give this experinece of a city through smell, taske, vision etc. i thought to bring besides these books also materials, smells, textures, even food, but presnet it to peopl ein eindhoven, or in my family, or to just keep it to myself. This book is a way to come back to it. So my interest is mostly in creating a little kit to realise this experimental research. I will soon have to create my own mini suitcase fo rthis, and i could also create a drawing table, and i would build a light to it an dthe magnifiying glass, so it already goes to being like a camera, and the explorer of the city would have this kit and a magnifying glass. Also the recording and the map we made with marjolijn duringth elas tday, so instead of descrbing what was the experience of the quarry, we began to make a round of waht we now miss of this experience. (playing the sound recording of the map) It was powerful to hear the map, and if you’d be an audinece in a black box hearing this, you’d really be in this space. So i really focus on my main question on: how do i take back my experience in matera? I will also work with sound recordings, smells, taste, touch.. And everything mini. DR: you said you’re doing these tbecause they force you to flter information. Can you recollect what were you forced to live out when you drew this? (showing a drawing) PA: tables, chairs, clouds, peopleon the streets, a few shops 6->3, etc.. DR: isn’t this something you do independantly from the size of the paper? Would it be the same case in a4? PA: yes, but i’m way more precise on this scale. DR: if the reason is to elave stuff out, how does that hep you take everything from matera with you. The fact that you are filtering stuff out because it’s miniature. CF: paralel with analog and digital photography (a lot of mateiral and a moment), what could this book then actually be about? To find other ways how people could gather and take some things with them? Is it interesting to look at other way sof taking things from a place. PA: i want to first know what I would do, see myself as an explorer, stop when I want to stop. EL: do you see this as ne project or as two different projects LR: how do you relate with the two aspects of missing something and also bringing/showing something? PA: By saying that you miss something and document it, it’s already soemthing you brought with you. LR: so it woudl add what you want to say, to the experience NL: you were talking about criticism on social media, can you direct that more/ can you be more direct with that, if that’s what you want with your project? DR: you wanted to create a cabinet of curiosity.. PA: not definite at all, but an inteition. DR: do you think only books will cover everything what you wnat to show? PA: this is just something i started with. BM: you’re using these drawings as tools.. These opbejcts become an outcome. Would you like to use tit as a part of your porject and not as the final outcome? Do you think you will stick with this medium as your final outcome for your questions / projects. PA: very open for ut to evolve, it already evolved a lot! BM: this is a tool to filter informations. Do you want to do something with the way you collect information? Do you want to do seomething iwth the information you filter? PA: not understood.. NL: to go back to the digital and social mediums, taht are mediums that are easy to use by anone. Is this project made only for yourself about the way you collect? Then you should leave out the whole story abot social media, becaus ethat is not directed at anyone else besides you. Otherwise think how would it be used by someone lese? DR: followup on that, it’s less related as a cabinet of curiosity and more as a travellers diary. Back in the day people went to places where nobody else had bene before, so they coolllected etc. if you take this position as a traveller coming to matera and going back to eindhoevm.. PA: this is my position at the moment DR: then do research on travellers diaries BM: do you feel closer to the medium or the story about why you do it? PA: medium, not only the books but the whole toolkit. It really attracts me as a product. NL: maybe think back at the movie we wathed and how he was constantly aksed to throw awy his toolkit to follow their way of living. How does this relate in that sense then? DR: space travellers see matera as a different place. Alexandra AK:started with the virgin mary, i put the pictures there, started analysing, and put myself quite often next to her, and i was wondering why i would do that, so i started analysing these hands, then i wrote a small play, about every hand gesture, to start with that, and i asked hannah to help me so i asked her to constantly do these movements, it’s continuing and we had a talk. And what brought me more were the two moments of T”these movements bring me to trans, im not so aware of my actons” Talked about sexuality, and there’s a lot of judgement, of body, she does not connect with certain.. I’m very open about sex, i like porn, i don’t mind, i’m open to all these things.. There’s a lot going on about girls being objectified, but is taht really, then we put another judgement on girls, example of the @virginmary on instagram. Why is it bad to use her body like she is using it? We still put so much judgement on the body, and it brings me back to religio. Sexuality is still something special, even if we say that we are open towards it. There’s a certain way we are putting women again into a certain direction, ex: porn starts. Very interested in the body, and reading commenty fetishism by carl marx. It’s important o find it important to talk about it. I try now to how/why is it happening, why are people still so judgemental aboutit etc.. People are scared that i f they use nudity as something taha could be learned from, they feel as if they would be judged.. (sorry was very hard to write down) NJ: do you have in your head somekind of an outcome you want to create? Where you want to position the male body in your project? AK: that’s why I will meet Janco, to bring in the male side. That’s why i went into the female side with hannah, and will go to teh male side this week, but of course they have two differnet positions. DR: how do you connect this to the virgin mary? In theoury, meant that jesus was concieved without sex. AK: it was a starting point, and she was thic icon taht you had to look up to as she’s the closest connection to god, it was more about what’s religion now? Do we still have icons that we look up to? It’s now distracted by something iw as interested in.. also the judgemental part of religion and what palys ar ole now.. CF: it feel slike what we talekd about you opened up so it could take another road. Do you feel the othe rroad is confusing you more than adding something? Do you feel the need to choose one? Are you curious to continue widening up a research or do you feel the need to dive into one stram? Is there some soth of a focus? AK, going with the flow. I donät leave the virgin mary out. I’ll decide during mid terms. BM: the people you choose and you ask questions. To dig into the debate or are you trying to find a way of reassuring yourself in this subject? Are you picking people who are more special in this? Or will you also go into normal/ conservative people? NL: are you interested in sexuality or in the way it is discussed? If you take the 2nd, it takes quite a lot of knowledge on the subject and how people discuss these things. You also presneted yourself very mch in this male female way, maybe that could aslo feed some creativity, it could take a more of a starting point, or talking more openly about sexualiy reprhraS: 1 thing is to say you talk openy, but its also a certain way of talking about it, a very binary way, mostly hetero sexuality, it’s hard to make a judgement or to make a discussion on how people talk about it as a whole, if you yourself also talk about if from a certain point? It can be really hard to make a generla converstaion about this.. DR: a comment/question: when i went to college 15 years ago, things were a lot more repressed, i already feel we’ve made a lot of progress being able to talk about porn and drugs and taboo experiences, i sense a lot of frustration when you present it, tht we’re still very far from the situation tha you understand interesting to talk about sexuality. whan t wuoud y ou like to see that would be more satisfactory to talk about it. AK: it’s teh first time that i’m talking about this, so it’s difficult, what is it then that i wanna see in a different way. That’s what i want to answer upon. It’s also how to position myself, only from my perspective? NJ: what do you mean that it’s the firts time you talk about it? What do you say then? AK: more that I put it into a project. Sex and my vision on it CF: it feels that you’re opening up, that it’s a way for you to find what is important. The virgin mary made people position themselves, she guided them to position themselves. Is it even important to position yourself? How these things are not fixed and easier to change? DR: how much is it sexuality over feminism. This thing about the moment we’re in at the moment, we are descending on the very men-oriented period in history, and now finally we’re breaking this pattern, and we are going onto a very female world, and the far right is the consequence of this.. An inevitable force in my opinon. Does it resonate to you that to the great mother figure that is emerging but is still not able to be fully expressed, in the moment we are, we’re fighting against this male oriented perspectives, pushing aside, when the mother is the one who gathers and accepts everything? EL: very different but could this woman on instagram be another icon that women live up to? Could she empower other women? NJ: my mother always told me that Maria was completely cancelled, deleted from the bible, she wa snot there anymore, and at some point people started asking for a woman in their religion. Maybe this is/ you could make a connection on this cancellation of this talk and wanting to bring maria back. But now people are standing up taht they want a woman in the society not only in religion. ---------- ---------- 2018/11/19 #M21 KICK OFF ---------- Midterm / Endterm HCS: Midterm is only for Offfence - not for any guests. Endterms are moment to invite people. Idea: Present what OFFFENCE is to ODS / friends. By December we know already what we want to do in January considering the educational package. We will furthermore do a January exhibition — we need to find a space and will therefore ask ODS for help.How much do we want to present for Mid term? What is the format? Do we need to build up something? AK: I dont think we should book a space for it. BM: Do we want to present all together? Do we want individual meetings? HCS: We should have both — Kay and Curdin come for a long time. We should make the best of this time, not stay too much individual. Can we use Monancelle to use the projector? Taking things out of Baso. KM: I would vouch for Monancelle or IAK. LDR: Roma PA: I would like to present in front of each other. Following the presentations of each others personal feedback. 10 minutes per person. HCS: I would propose a working group to make proposals for mid term set up, including space and schedule. NKL: I want to join. CF: Me, too LDR: Can we come to a conclusion now? HCS: I think a proposal can be more proactive. I can ask Marco. CF: Or Elisa KM: Or Gianco NKL: We know people KM: Let’s use the quarry for the presentations…! PA: I thought we would present our educational package AND the individual research for end term. NKL: We are having this topic for the second time. BM: Should it maybe be included in the working group “Mid term/ End term”? PA: agrees NKL: If the aim is to quickly recap what we talked about last week. Let me start: There were different proposals made: 1) upcoming midterm is held without guests, on the OFFFFENCE mid term we could make a presentation to explain the set up of our education — this would be an apperetivo situation, open to friends or the public 1.1) for endterm we would make an exhibition including our collective educational project together with our own projects open for everyone That was my own proposal. Evaluation sheets would be good to write over christmas break to show them to each other when we get back. For end terms in January those would be rewritten or updated in some form. CF: What were the alternatives? NKL: There were more proposals to make an exhibition on OFFFENCE end terms including our individual projects. PA: 1 day for educational package + ½ day for presentations of our individual research which will be held in front of friends and collaborators CF: we should be aware of what we need. Maybe we are not ready to get a lot of feedback from friends and collaborators. We should collectively decide in 1-2 weeks depending on how ready we feel. Initiatives LDR: I am excited to give this workshop. I am planning to do a bit of theory, inspiration and hands on work. Who is interested in coming? Pierre, Hannah, Karl, Noa I will make a post on facebook to see who is interested. CF: When do you want to do it? LDR: Saturday or Sunday, PIerre your mom can also come PA: I want to do a drawing workshop, not to teach how to draw but to just draw together. With Ben I have created some games and interactions. It made our creativity flow a but more freely. I am already preparing a book of exercises. I want to practice how to spark your interest. CF: When? PA: After mid terms. Ben will update it in the initiatives list. I will bring it up soon again. KM: I got good feedback on my proposal. I would like to involve other people in this. I need help to bring in people into this workshop. PA: It could be a good idea to apply an #experimental filter. KM: I would like to have this filter for a week CF: I can help with Hannah to network — from Wednesday onwards. KM: Lets talk over a dinner I cook for us on Wednesday evening. — all agreed LDR: Meeting ODS - I am not sure about everything they are up to. We can propose to join their open review on coming Friday. Lukas Wegweert is here, the deigner of the open structures, so it might be interesting to join their meeting next Friday. HCS: The tower game — lets invite them to join us to play together. After midterm on a Saturday. We can make it a fun thing to do. PA: Maybe we can do it over the time when Kay and Curdin are here over Mid Term? We might not have enough time. Lets put this into the working group educational package. KM: I wouldnt mind inviting them for a visit the Friday after we visit them. HCS: Would it be mandatory for them? KM: No, its an open thing, to give them our recap. LDR: I will send them an e-mail on this Friday and will keep you posted. CF: Shall we make a working group on the assignment for Diogo. — Ben, Pierre, (Charlie) (Hannah) — Karl, Hannah, ALex would like to throw in his ideas HCS: When is the deadline for ideas on Diogo’s assignment? PA: Thursday evening! — all agreed CF: Tufo Workshop with Ralph: Sculpting, Experimenting: — Pierre, Karl Construction techniques: — Ben, Lucas, Charlie, Noa KM: I will walk to each one of you to collect your audio recording. I will soon do the same with images. BM: Do you want audio recordings on OFFFENCE or private? KM: I will collect recordings on specific dates. PA: I have the same request — I am doing a book of unrealised projects. I will go to one person/day. NKL/LDR: We need someone to document this week. KM: I might take that slot with the audio recordings. BM: I would like to sign up with Noa on working on the beach. CF: Who wants to join for evaluation criteria meeting? — Ben, Niels, Charlie Feedback with Kay KM: I would like a spot (to share with Dominik) CF: We will make it 2 slots a 30min. KM: If you want more time with Kay then I am up for dropping out. CF: Who communicates to Kay? I will talk to Dominik. Feedback with Curdin NKL: I would like a spot — 9:30 DVD: Will receive the spot — 9:00 KM: Send offline files in advance. CF: Will communicate this to Curdin. Schedule Of The Week Monday: 12:15 Evalutaion Criteria Meeting Wednesday: 15:30 Italian Class 20:00 Rotella Talk at Roma 20:00 (Hannah, Karl, Charlie) Thursday: 11:00 Tufo Workshop with Ralph? 15:00 Deadline Ideas for Diogo’s Assignment — (Ben and Pierre) Friday: 09:00 - 14:00 RECAP 15:00 - 17:00 ODS Open Review (not mandatory) Saturday: 9:30 - 11:00 Italian Class Sunday: 11:00 - 14:00 Photography Workshop Lucas ---------- ---------- 2018/11/19 #M21 KICK OFF ---------- Discussing the proposal schedule for mid-terms https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fchr4PA_DGYuCabMx8_Dx6iJqHnE_Y_Jcw4msTfl638/edit?usp=sharing Question on teacher - student relation HC 22 is deadline for #D, only 3 people filled in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kQ-_VJsmSTLhgvTIg6YmEW1p274fxC327veTXqGF6iA/edit?usp=sharing HC i proposed 2 ideas. Theoretical research. People have done a lot of research about alternative education. We did it by working an trying. For educational package i think its nice to have the 2 methods and outcomes together Educational tool. BM Ask him to make a boil down of what he perceives out of OFFFENCE. Until now we give the explanations about ourselves by ourselves. Would be nice to have a perspective from outside. An official speech. For Grima for example. (joke/no joke) KM Can i start a discussion; 2 of the 3 proposals are good ideas, but are not assignments. More like favors. (the speech and research).. Therefor i really like the educational tool. He knows what the weak points and strong points are. He is so nice to us, but i would like to see where he sees a need for an educational tool. BM I wonder if the educational tool would be for communication amongst each other or for outside. Different targets, differents tools. KM I would love to have it more open than just a communication tool HCS I understand to make it concrete, but to leave him to the open and to see what comes out, is more interesting. We are in power of the time he has to curate around it. It could be a series of 2 weeks for example. BM can you read again your proposal HCS *read out* BM im afraid that if we dont give a target audience, otherwise he goes very deep into the educational thing. A tool would be interesting for us, but would not work for someone outside of the collective. LR we can combine this, the first thing, find a problem Second thing, solve it HCS dont you think that it is his thought process in general? NN If we give him an assignment now, he should have at least 1 months to work with it. Then we have 1 month left to practice it a bit. For me it would be interesting to have a tool for the transition for when we go back to the DAE KM i like it, he asks for a fence, we give him a bridge HCS i like it too, but I dont agree with the time spend, it doesnt have to be 1 month Maybe its a bit too fast, lets embrace first really of our time being here, and not give a fuck still about the dae. KM we can do it both, he also said multiple assignments are great. *lucas leaves to ODS* KM i think we can just send him a message and ask for an educational tool NN i think we can be a bit more rough, also on ourselves What do we really need HCS we had a long discussion (unfinished) about freedom. Which also has to do with roles. We dont have to let him design a educational filter. Wuld be easy and we already have it. If its an actual tool that he creates, it should be more concrete. BM counter assignments, too bridge. I like this direction HCS I like it aswell, as in the bridge to the DAE. but i dont think for now though BM What about create a tool to make offfence penetratable KM i like the bridge, For example the apple pie idea from this designer Stijn talked about. BM he is so much about experimental filters, with the books HCS yea but its very much self-help-books, we can do something more exciting BM What is inbetween a tool and a bridge? NN Water NJ HAHAH Everyone else: dafuq that laugh NN a tool for release steam KM we are already trying to answer the assignments Would it be better if we speculate the outcomes with it? Do you think he gave the assignment he gave because of our situation? I don’t think he’s playing this game. I think he just gave an assignment that sounded generically interesting NN but of course he is playing this game with us that he is also triggering us to think about the assignment BM very much agree with that. He knows what he’s doing, he’s aware of it ~~~~~Sorry couldnt come up with the minutes~~~~~ BM do we want to make the assigments that adds to our educational package or a tool that helps with the communication of it KM it can be anything HCS if we leave it vague, we can also understand more what he is about NJ What if we just say Design a Bridge BM yea HCS it would be too early BM I would like to add an objective HCS i think its too early NJ What is the aim of this; do we want it to have today? Bc we’re going into circles HCS lets let it sink it and then we decide in half an hour CF a bridge for who How to guide this without being to concrete We shouldn’t be too afraid to push it proposal Build a bridge from offfence Build a bridge from offfence to.. Build a bridge to… Build a bridge between Build a bridge Build a bridge between… Assignment: BUILD A BRIDGE… Subtext: … -- Trip to Roma, still happening? Manifesto is over. Should we go to Sicilia? Meet Forma Fantasma? Meet stone instruments maker (Charlie)? Ask to Caterina what is worth to see there? To be discussed during the monday kick-OFFF with everyone. Printer and inks should be refund by the school? Or from our budget? To discussed at the end of January, depending on what we’ll print then (collective edition?) CF: No guarantee to meet Ralf all together. Seems difficult to plan meeting with him. But Pierot (Barba rossa) possible collaborator and open to contact with the group. NJ: One more car available if needs of transportation of material (tufo) CF: If you want to learn a bit from Lucas, Ben and I about our collaborative project around tufo, feel free to ask. We are in contact with Piero for that, he might be an interesting source of inspiration and input for whoever wants. HS: I draft an email for curdin and Kay + contact Janneke about teaching hours of Marjolijn and budget // Ben writes a bit more for Diogo’s assignment CF: Evaluation criteria should maybe be printed and pinned on the wall to be visible for everyone. We should give a presentation and share what we did so far to everybody. DAS IST SEHR IMPORTANT Noa contact MAAM and the monacelle for the meetings w/ Kay and Curdin. Monday morning : Karl’s presentation IMPORTANT + Field Trip discussion!! ---------- 2018/11/26 #M23 Kick off: evaluation criteria, archiving ---------- Presentation: Evaluation criteria (CF, BM) Evaluation booklet First page expains How to use Self reflection exists of writing. Keywords are for support, remove or add words to personalise. Split up design process, describe your steps and process, what things went well and what did not? #Context #Plan #Research #Document #process #Proceed (what happens after Matera?) #Reflect How do i learn Plan for midterm: write self reflection which includes every topic so it becomes one long text. 1-3 A4 sheets. After writing the reflection is shared and reflected on by others. With all this feedback you go into the talk with Kay or Curdin. Midterm is a verbal feedback, so we don't have to write 11 text. Collective reflection, everyone writes 3 centesens and they are combined into one text written by all. Diogo give reflection about offfence, in the form of a speech Self reflection can already start and needs to be ready before midterm, so they can be send to the teachers before they arrive. There is also a planning about the reflection program, but this is the next step. Sheets are digital and printed and each can fill this in how they want. Every medium is allowed, just keep in under 3 pages. Sketches can also be incorporated. After written reflection is done there is also a possibility to make a collective ripped poster reflection (Karls artist) HCS: Deadline for reflection should be on friday so they can be shared with kay and curdin Be critical with the reflection sheets so we can improve them for the future. Friday homework: 3 sentences that reflect on us + write self reflection. Presentation: website + archiving (KM, DVD) Archive: collection of everything that we recorded and documented. All flies are put into folders by date and event. Index. List of things we value most about our education. Educational package Index has 6 Categories: Tools platforms Archive Wellbeing Curriculum Values Index is the most value things of the archive. Digital and physical. Website and print. Different of length of website and print are; 30 sec 2 min 10 min 30 min 6 hours Printing can be done in many different ways. A roll of minutes like one on a recite. Co written Scrolling bar will control the audio file. Website will have slider that determines the amount of photos or text. How do we write a collective text. One person has to write about a certain period of time, assisted by images and audio. Everyone writes 500 words to make a 4000 word text, Collective google doc writing Someone writes for us. (they know nothing about us) Open for more proposals. They can be combined, first everyone writes their own and after they will be combined togethers in one coherent text. Or 2 People take the responsibility of writing. Collective narrative can be absurd, the shorter text can be more clear. What about before Matera, should be included but there is not a lot of documentation from than. Some events are not done with everyone, some documentation might not have a lot of collective meaning but cans still be in there. What happens after Offfence semester? When does it end? The website will be paid forever. Its not going to be like a feed, There is no possibilities of edits. The balance between curation and open source, be careful, overloading can be intense for people. A bit of curation can make it better. This is why we made the slider, this is the amount of curation. HCS: translation of emails. Chalrie, there translation can turn into a personal work, Offfence.com - offfffffffffence.com - Offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffence.com How so we incorporate our personal work into the website? Should we ? Education package vs. the Archive ? Education package should not result into instructions, we can tell to others what worked for us. Should have have something that is just facts, so that they can be used for others into a research for example. Its difficult to separate the 2 because they are so intertwined. Lets have another educational package meeting. Skype Meeting with Dominik Vrabic 3 way call — #DOMINIK - experimental filter NJ: about Monancelle: they have an event on Monday and Sunday in le Monancelle, I will call them now. HCS: We might be able to use the space that the ODS used to be in. I will hear back from them by today. I don’t know any details yet, they use it for events Skype meeting was no big success, Dominik will follow the minutes and comment LR: 2 poential spaces, the old oDS and the Monancelle. CF: IAC could be the 3rd option, 15€ per hour HCS: There is a potential space in Montesclaglioso but it is 15min away from here BM: maybe for midterms we dont have too much to show NJ: Moncancelle is available but they want 100€ per day because we never payed. If I go and pay now, we can fix the 40€ per day deal. — Noa goes to Monancelle to pay a total of 200€ (3 days from the last sessions + 2 mid term sessions) Diogo’s assignment BM: we thought that it woudl be interesting for Diogo, regarding his position as an outsider and an insider, he’s not in the bubble off offfence, to design/brainstorm a communication tool for us to communicate with the outside world. Can be: dae, next generation, other people It was said that it is a bit too early to think how we will communicate with the academy, since we are still in process. We came to the point that the idea is a communication tool, and we materialised it in the world ‘bridge’, so ‘build a bridge between offffence and … ‘ or ‘build a bridge between …. And … ‘ he asked us to build a fence, so he wuld be building a bride. It does not have to be a tangible bridge, but we chose to let him interpretate this assignment how he wants. He can make a physical tool, an experimenta filter or anything else. The goal of this subject is to find a subtext, do we want to define this assignment more, or do we leave it open? The other thing is that this assignment would be around 2 weeks for him to answer. It can also have a followup, for example to design a bridge, and later ask him to further develop the assignment. Do we want to guide his interpretation or not? KM: the technical assignment is to design/build a bridge. Are you picking a direction, narrowing it down? Also always a possibility to do what he did with the fence assignment to add a small description. What shall we proceed with? Do we want to specify the assignment more? AK: why should we go for either? Maybe he’s really going to make a bridge, do we want that? Or do we want him to make a tool? What do we want to get from this? BM: do you like the assignment? - yes - PA: can you very intuitively be honest and share your expectations of his answer to the assignment? If he comes with a little bridge made out of foamboard.. BM: if we target a bridge between offfence and the outside, could be a bit too specific. I would put value into, designing a public bridge. He would design a tool to help us talk with the outside. I don’t agree with a specific tool only for offfence. If it is for the public, for everyone, we can also use it, and it can be a part of our educational package. Maybe in the next assignment he could narrow it down to offfence. KM: kind of the fence assignemt, we created it for the others but it also works on us. I also think he has a lot of knowledge in education, he has been reseaching it a lot, so i would keep it open, for him to activate his research. It is an exercise for him, but also made for us. CF: could be interesting, agree with keeping it open. I would argue for the publicness in it - applying the context, in this moment diogo is not our guide, he is one of us, he has been close, but he’s not here, so I am curious how he would tackle it. Publicness adds another layer, but it’s not too much. It could challenge him in a good way. Whatever he makes could happen outside, not between the four walls of baso AK: if we talk about explanation, on one hand i think it’s nice to describe the metaphore, as the bridge is, we give a description about the public space, taht hings can happen between different groups, so he would know that it is a bout communication.. But probably he will also look up synonyms of the bridge, like ben did.. So he’ll aslo arrive there BM: 1) a bridge between offfence and outside or (navigation) 2) a bridge between all of us (allow to cross over ‘the fence’) so we are giving him the same asisgment back. Do we want to specify this? KM: i’m going to be niels because he is not here. I would nto mind him building a physical bridge. Our problem during the last meeting we were speculating and it’s not the effort we need to put into this now.. CF: lets then make it in many steps. We get the result from him and then we can respond and see whether we want another step on this or not. BM: personally i am not aiming for beauty, but for function that relates to what we need. I think diogo would do the same, but Curdin maybe not. I believe Diogo would make is something different. You can keep it open, but then short time - only 2 weeks. After doing a project he might think of the options he could’ve done, and we can work with that. KM: it’s not about the poetry, but it’s nice to deal with this not as a favour, he didn’t share so much with us, but he could. If we want him to make a functional tool, it’s a favour, but if we give him a propoer assignment, he can explore the many sides of this. CF: in two weeks it would be 10.12. Could this assignment also work in one week, so we could specify the assignment so we’d have it before the vacation? One week for the 1st step, and then 2 weeks for the follow up - the day before our vacation starts. Or 10 days. Maybe before our end term valuations? Deadline: 13th of December PA: then it also becomes a part of our end terms- he will have mid terms in one week like us, and end terms in 3 like us, and we can even evaluate it. BM: I agree with these timeslots. We could also test it out later then. LR: do we tell him that there’s an assignemnt afterwards? AK: we can see it as a feedback moment. BM: we don’t know what comes to we can’t say yet AK: then let’s not make anything! BM: and subtext? AK: can someone refrase the assignmnet? CF: designe a (public) bridge KM: a big connotation to contemporary architecture AK: maybe we can give a hint with the public PA: the first step can be the broadest: just build a bridge. Then later we can continue. Definition of a bridge, or of an obstacle? Assignemnt: to design a bridge Deadline: 4.12 Noa came back NJ: he was very friendly. We got the library room with a projector, wooden floor, low cieling but a space. Sunday 14-21 and Monday hthe whole day, total of 60€. So we have 2 projectors. Emma update on minor meeting EL: meeting wit hMona and Olga, 1h, mainly questions on how everyone was doing. 1) how is the general feeling for every minor? Which was good. Then questions about the space they were in, which was the biggest complaint, becuase they are in different places, the space in wallstreet is not inspiring at all. Another concern was about the exchange students, and dae students feel ashamed that they are having their minor in an old office building, and they don’t meet a lot of people. I could nto share so much about us, they were mainly interested in how they can improve for the rest. I could share the initiative list and the kick off and recap, which was taken very well. In the end we had to say one last thing and Rollo was saing something like: 2 years in the academy you get guided and you go through it, and he really missed the freedom that you are free to do your own assignments. So it was a good confrimation that what we are doing here is very good. PA: i am hearing complaints about for example: textile minor wanted to learn skills but they only get theoury, and ceramics.. So they are very dissapointed in the curriculum, did they complain about that too? EL: yes, too little workspace, too easy assignments, ceramics started off really slowly, but during ddw the teachers were more focused on their own projects. Rollo said that it’s a pity that they show every week something, but that it would be nice to show more after 3 weeks. They have 2 days per week of class and 1 day of excursions. 3 days of class, 2 days in school PA: did they talk about the spaces? That you are not allowe to use the facilities of the school? EL: sometimes they can, but not a lot. The exchange students got an introduction, but if you never went into the school, it’s not your first choice to go to the workshops.. For radical ecologies, i only heard that india was a good experience, group was small and close, Jade was very positive to dive into one